Allignment issues, something bent?

[AnnDee4444]

Try swapping front tires with each other (left-to-right), test drive, and confirm that it still pulls the same direction. If yes, swap the back tires with each other, repeat test drive.

If the direction of pull changes or force changes, it is likely that one of your tires was molded wrong or molded on a different date, causing it to be slightly shorter or taller. I experienced this on another vehicle and ended up rotating the tire to the least noticeable location.

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[Roky]

Only the Rubicon JLs get Dana 44s from the factory, but your axles function exactly the same with regards to camber. Either way, your camber is in spec, so your issue is caused by something else.



Yeah, there definitely is no factory adjustment for camber. I haven't searched, but would suspect that this type of correction is available for all straight front axles.




Slightly off topic but still interesting: These could be used to gain additional caster without increasing the pinion angle.

Yeah that would be sweet if it worked, have you tried it? I’m running 6.5 degrees castor on mine and it handles sweet, tracks straight, and no wandering. I don’t have to bad of angle on pinion but I don’t think I’d go much more than that. I think it’ll put more stress on ujoints at the wheels when in 4wd. Here’s pic of my driveshaft angle at 6.5 castor. I’ve recently upgraded my front driveshaft to Adams 1350 in anticipation of going with more lift in the future.

 

[cns721]

I have this exact issue with my stock 2019. I've brought it in to to the dealer 4 times (2 different dealers) to find the issue. They swapped the front tires, checked the alignment, etc. and it still pulls to the right. They insist that there's nothing wrong with the Jeep and said they found nothing while test driving. I even made a video before I brought the Jeep in last time and they still refuse to acknowledge the issue. The POS service advisor said "you shouldn't be driving without your hands on the steering wheel". I swear I wanted to punch him in the face for saying that. No sh*t, I'm only doing so to demonstrate that the Jeep is pulling to the right.

I also reached out to @JeepCares in hopes they would help. Got a case specialist assigned and she calls me saying that if the dealer doesn't find anything, then they can't do anything. I started to question about few of the TSBs they have, specifically the track bar, and she stops me saying that she's not technical and doesn't know what a track bar is. This tells me right off the bat that case specialists are worthless and won't do jack. They're just normal customer service reps with a glorified job title.

If you ever find a solution to fix this, please do post an update.

 

[Roky]

I have this exact issue with my stock 2019. I've brought it in to to the dealer 4 times (2 different dealers) to find the issue. They swapped the front tires, checked the alignment, etc. and it still pulls to the right. They insist that there's nothing wrong with the Jeep and said they found nothing while test driving. I even made a video before I brought the Jeep in last time and they still refuse to acknowledge the issue. The POS service advisor said "you shouldn't be driving without your hands on the steering wheel". I swear I wanted to punch him in the face for saying that. No sh*t, I'm only doing so to demonstrate that the Jeep is pulling to the right.

I also reached out to @JeepCares in hopes they would help. Got a case specialist assigned and she calls me saying that if the dealer doesn't find anything, then they can't do anything. I started to question about few of the TSBs they have, specifically the track bar, and she stops me saying that she's not technical and doesn't know what a track bar is. This tells me right off the bat that case specialists are worthless and won't do jack. They're just normal customer service reps with a glorified job title.

If you ever find a solution to fix this, please do post an update.

Your rig is stock and it pulls?

 

[cns721]

Your rig is stock and it pulls?

Yup...

 

[AnnDee4444]

Yeah that would be sweet if it worked, have you tried it? I’m running 6.5 degrees castor on mine and it handles sweet, tracks straight, and no wandering. I don’t have to bad of angle on pinion but I don’t think I’d go much more than that. I think it’ll put more stress on ujoints at the wheels when in 4wd. Here’s pic of my driveshaft angle at 6.5 castor. I’ve recently upgraded my front axle to Adams 1350 in anticipation of going with more lift in the future.

Haven't tried it, but the video I posted does hint that it will work. The area I could see it possibly causing an issue is with the steering linkage. There might not be enough clearance for 8 degrees of caster at stock heights or when flexing. Probably not an issue, but just something to check if it is tried.

 

[Moto_21]

Yeah that would be sweet if it worked, have you tried it? I’m running 6.5 degrees castor on mine and it handles sweet, tracks straight, and no wandering. I don’t have to bad of angle on pinion but I don’t think I’d go much more than that. I think it’ll put more stress on ujoints at the wheels when in 4wd. Here’s pic of my driveshaft angle at 6.5 castor. I’ve recently upgraded my front axle to Adams 1350 in anticipation of going with more lift in the future.

Man id swear that was more than 6.5 degrees lol

 

[Moto_21]

Lol...( sarcasm?) . no I was there and saw the read out, besides I had to loosen and tighten that stupid jam nut three times at 250 ft lbs before we got it right. Wasn’t shooting for a specific number we just adjusted and drove it until it drove sweet and that’s where we landed.

No i was serious lol. It just looks from the picture so far down lol. Oh i know those jam nuts are a pita haha. I have to do mine on the ground (no lift yay) Its no fun lol. Mine was at 6.5 at one point and it didnt look that far thats why i asked lol.

 

[Moto_21]

I do think it’s a bad pic angle because after your post I had to go out and look, .. lol. What’s your castor set at now? Why did change?

Its at 6 now, i changed cuz i changed control arms from rk to mc. Haha im sorry. Gave you an excuse to look at your jeep more though haha

 

[Moto_21]

You like mc better ? What’s the advantage? Just curious , I’m running all eight rk arms, other than getting to grease fittings I love them so far.

I like the no maintenance with the mc ones. Having rubber creates a little amount of “softer” ride but that could be in my head. I was also having clearance issues with the rk because i did not want to notch out my control arm brackets. I also had a waaaaay easier time setting up the mc ones. And the gold matched my wheels better lol

 

[Moto_21]

I didn’t have to do any cutting or notching, I have the X factor high clearance ones, but with my ocd, I totally get it matching the wheels for sure. Lol.

I had the xfactor ones as well. I couldnt get full droop. My jam nuts would hit the control arm brackets and stop. They are nice control arms dont get me wrong though, that was just my issue.

 

[Roky]

I had the xfactor ones as well. I couldnt get full droop. My jam nuts would hit the control arm brackets and stop. They are nice control arms dont get me wrong though, that was just my issue.

I gotcha, maybe because I’ve got Mopar springs and fox shocks I’m not drooping enough to notice lol, but I’ll definitely check it out, thanks for insight.

 

[Bumper]

Could be several different things, was toe in spec? If you got 3”’of lift then you’ll want to change the fixed front lower control arms that came with the kit and get some adjustable ones. You need your castor set around 6 for it to drive the best. If you get new arms have them installed and do alignment. Check your tire pressure make sure is around 30 psi and it’s the same in all tires. Some of your factory specs aren’t good now that you’re lifted and on oversized tires.

Hey Roky,

I just got a copy of the alignment, let me know what you think. He said he wanted to get some sort of caster adjustment although I can't remember what he called it. Maybe it was control arms? He also mentioned he wanted the right front caster value to be around 5 or > if the left stayed at 4.4. So I guess we will see.

 

[Moto_21]

Here’s a better picture of pinion angle..... I think it’s a better picture... lol.

Haha much better! Looks like mine does now lol. Hows that adams drive shaft? Ive been looking into them but wasnt sure how it would handle the pinion not being directly inline

 

[Roky]

Haha much better! Looks like mine does now lol. Hows that adams drive shaft? Ive been looking into them but wasnt sure how it would handle the pinion not being directly inline

Works great, way better than stock one, smaller diameter but stronger, and it’s kind of a cardan joint at transfer case so it handles the angle real well.

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