48 volt eTorque battery reliability/system?

[Jeep1969]

What are u guys experience with the eTorque? YouTube has a lot of info on how it works, but more bias opinions than anything. What are the real world experience from our fellow jeepers?

Anyone know the cost to replace the eTorque battery? I finally got my wife to agree to trade in the 2019 JLUR for a newer 21 model year. With the high market value of my 2019 it made sense to get a new one for a few grand more. Then I started to build my new Jeep and darn, the eTorque is required if you wanted an automatic transmission unless u go diesel or turbo. I wanted to stick with my v6 ESS. Unsure of the eTorque cost and reliability, I’m holding my 2019 for now.

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[YippieKiYayMrFalcon]

I had an 18 with the auxiliary battery and now a 21 with eTorque, and I like the eTorque much better. It’s a smoother start and haven’t had any issues with it, as opposed to the 4 aux batteries I went through on my 2018.

I can’t answer your question about the cost of replacement (I think it’s in the linked thread below, though), but since it’s a mild hybrid system, the 48v battery and related components are covered by a federally mandated 8 year/80k mile warranty.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/e-torque-and-48v-battery-warranty-question.17413/

 

[BDinTX]

Posted about mine just today. I have no idea how much it costs, and would agree that most of the comments about the system are biased and coming from non-owners saying they don’t understand it / don’t trust it / it’s new technology.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...idnt-know-what-they-bought.74335/post-1548533

the hybrid components are covered under a longer warranty than therest of the vehicle and I think it is anybody’s guess if the batteries will be cheaper or more expensive when it comes time to pay for a replacement. There may be aftermarket stuff out there by then (optima?)

 

[four low]

I have had no issues with my 2018 2.0T, eTorque, 22,000 miles. After the 8 yr, 80,000 mile warranty expires,maybe there will be an " eTorque Delete " kit to simplify it.

 

[Grooster]

I would not be surprised to find that alternative battery solutions begin to appear as these systems age out. Battery tech continues to improve and (fingers crossed) get smaller and lighter.

While I have confidence in my 2019 2.0 eTorque at almost 40K in mileage, I've always had that thought in my head that if I'm that unhappy (and I'm not) in 8-10 years, I'll do an engine swap for less than replacing the whole rig. Unless of course, there's a whole new level of hot mess offered by Jeep. Then it's spend the kids college fund (again)!!!

 

[shindleria235]

I would not be surprised to find that alternative battery solutions begin to appear as these systems age out. Battery tech continues to improve and (fingers crossed) get smaller and lighter.

While I have confidence in my 2019 2.0 eTorque at almost 40K in mileage, I've always had that thought in my head that if I'm that unhappy (and I'm not) in 8-10 years, I'll do an engine swap for less than replacing the whole rig. Unless of course, there's a whole new level of hot mess offered by Jeep. Then it's spend the kids college fund (again)!!!

my thoughts have been pretty similar. by the time the etorque related systems pass warranty (or sooner), i expect to be swapping out for an electric crate motor-type setup and trying to squeeze 200-300 mile range on full-electric out of my 2019. fwiw i'm a former engineer turned developer in the battery space, and y'all will probably not believe how fast EV tech is advancing for energy density. the changes are coming.

to op's question, have had no issues with the system so far at ~25k miles. i try to brake and coast aggressively (esp downhill) to engage the ESS and activate the BSG charging. I learned to drive on a '98 blazer and '04 prius so what i do seems to work fairly well. i know it's goofy/atypical, but I got the etorque 2.0 to get the best MPG possible on the Wrangler frame, and frankly i've been impressed. would love to learn if there end up being ways to tap into the 48V battery system, or even proactively upgrade the lil 0.17kWh or whatever it is under there to something more dense, and more actively engage the etorque for partial hybrid engine assist >1800 RPM.

 

[viper88]

What are u guys experience with the eTorque? YouTube has a lot of info on how it works, but more bias opinions than anything. What are the real world experience from our fellow jeepers?

Anyone know the cost to replace the eTorque battery? I finally got my wife to agree to trade in the 2019 JLUR for a newer 21 model year. With the high market value of my 2019 it made sense to get a new one for a few grand more. Then I started to build my new Jeep and darn, the eTorque is required if you wanted an automatic transmission unless u go diesel or turbo. I wanted to stick with my v6 ESS. Unsure of the eTorque cost and reliability, I’m holding my 2019 for now.

I was kind of in the same boat. I felt is was a no brainer to jump up 3 full model years for the same money to replace my old '19 with a new 2022 model.

I sold my '19 JLR 2.0T with eTorque for more more than what I paid for it brand new 2.5 years ago. I just ordered a 2022 JLR last week to replace it. I loved the 2.0T with eTorque. No issues with the 2.0 Turbo or the eTorque. The eTorque is very reliable. I actually prefer the eTorque over the ESS with the 12V Aux battery because if that.I personally feel the eTorque system is less problematic than the ESS system with the 12V Aux battery. The start stop is also MUCH smoother.

I wanted another 2.0 but it is not available with eTorque now. I had to take the 3.6 if I wanted eTorque. I ordered the 3.6 with eTorque because I prefer if over the ESS with aux 12V battery.

 

[TallDude]

I have 750miles on my 3.6 e-torque and I love it! I’ve had 1 3.6 (in my JKUR) and 1 3.8 (JK) and this feels like a well refined and smooth ride! I wish there was more data/details about the e-torque in general.

I found the general and deeper information really lacking. But I’m happy with this engine set up and look forward to many years of driving!

It’s really peppy!

The SS is super smooth but I do try to disable it each time I start it.

I also think it’s super fascinating how there’s no alternative and the system is attached to the crankshaft and fills in gaps between shifts and whatnot!

 

[Scott T in MA]

Old thread, but an update about the 48V etorque battery reliability from my experience. Just dropped off my Jeep at the dealership (22 JLUR with the 3.6 & etorque and 25K). I was getting the CEL and a number of codes related to battery temp sensor, hybrid battery coolant sensor, etc. The dealership opened up a STAR case and looking to get approval to replace the 48V battery. So after 24 months and 25K miles, we're seeing issues. I'd love to find a way to delete the etorque. it's the only thing I do not like about my JLUR XR.

 

[Jeep Wick]

Old thread, but an update about the 48V etorque battery reliability from my experience. Just dropped off my Jeep at the dealership (22 JLUR with the 3.6 & etorque and 25K). I was getting the CEL and a number of codes related to battery temp sensor, hybrid battery coolant sensor, etc. The dealership opened up a STAR case and looking to get approval to replace the 48V battery. So after 24 months and 25K miles, we're seeing issues. I'd love to find a way to delete the etorque. it's the only thing I do not like about my JLUR XR.

This is unusual IMO. Have you checked the coolant level? It sounds like just a sensor or harness issue. My 22 has 41k and I live in a hotter climate, the etorque system has been flawless. I've had the 3.6 with and without it, and I actually like the system. But long term I would be open to a delete kit.

 

[Scott T in MA]

This is unusual IMO. Have you checked the coolant level? It sounds like just a sensor or harness issue. My 22 has 41k and I live in a hotter climate, the etorque system has been flawless. I've had the 3.6 with and without it, and I actually like the system. But long term I would be open to a delete kit.

I'm assuming the dealership tested what was needed (coolant, sensor, electrical, etc.) to open the STAR case and get approval to replace a battery.

 

[R3TRO]

Remind me what eTorque is for again? Just a mild hybrid right? To get it off the line until the motor torque builds up? Seems like it would be great for offroad use assuming stays reliable.

 

[Mocopo]

Remind me what eTorque is for again? Just a mild hybrid right? To get it off the line until the motor torque builds up? Seems like it would be great for offroad use assuming stays reliable.

I love my etorque. An extra 90 or so ft lbs of torque, can't remember the actual number, but it hits when you need it the most, either off the line at a light, or when you need that low end to get up and over an obstacle. I'm a fan. Only 25000 miles on my '22, but zero issues to date.

 

[Grooster]

I have owned the 2019 2.0 version and now the 2023 3.6 version of etorque. That's a total of 93K trouble-free miles that include mountain trails, towing trailer loads of motorcycles and gear, and 3 big guys comfortably. Both Jeeps are and have been daily drivers.

Off roading with etorque works very well without any lag. I wondered if the 3.6 would be a dog in the mountains but not with etorque. Just as good as the 2.0 was. It's proving to be a great system especially compared to the non-etorque dual battery system. Oh, and I let the stop start do it's thing and live a happy life. I rarely notice it and neither do my passengers feel it. I do like the extra torque at take off and between shifts. No hesitation.

That 8 year, 80K warranty is a great comfort but I'm thinking I won't need it! No regrets here!

 

[AnnDee4444]

FYI: the 48V battery can cover for a dying/weak 12V battery. If you have eTorque and ESS stops functioning (displaying "not ready") a new 12V battery will restore ESS functionality.

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