3.6 l Engine Oil Type

[neil]

I am using pennzoil Platinum for both our jeeps, cause I got a rebate, and with an OEM filter that works out to like 23 bucks a change. Quicker than a free dealer visit.

Plus. It kicks all other oils in the taint.

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[2020Sport]

So here's some pretty convincing evidence. This Pentastar was run mainly on Valvoline (Maybe even conventional Valvoline) and some occasional Mobil 1. It made it to 626k miles and looks nice and clean inside with very little evident wear other than the timing chain.

Show me a Pentastar that went further than that on Amsoil. Ball's in your court. Until then, looks like Valvoline lands the first punch.



Checkmate.

Pretty good. AMSOIL has higher mileage engines but could not find a Pentastar. 626,000 miles in 6? years is pretty unusual. He could have saved a lot of time and money using AMSOIL and changing every 25,000 warranted miles instead of Valvoline every 8,000 miles. Too bad his engine failed and had to swap out. These standardized independent tests do show AMSOIL outperformed Valvoline in acid neutralizing power https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/ShopRes/products/900px/Signature_Series_TBN.jpg?zo=1181889 , viscosity breakdown https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/ShopRes/products/900px/Signature_Series_Breakdown.jpg?zo=1181889 , and oil volatility https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/ShopRes/products/900px/Signature_Series_Volatility.jpg?zo=1181889

 

[2020Sport]

From Pennzoil's web site. No need to name Amsoil and give them free advertising. If they are wrong, should be an easy win and some free money for Amsoil, right out of the pocket of one of the big boys.

"#4 – UNSURPASSED WEAR PROTECTION

No Full Synthetic motor oil provides better wear protection than Pennzoil Platinum® and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum™. None. That’s because no other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction than Pennzoil Platinum® motor oils.4 Imagine how much that helps your engine."

I don't see that they posted test results in their ad, just words. Why would AMSOIL want to sue one of their many suppliers when they can show them up in side by side independent standardized tests like I posted earlier? Pennzoil and most other brands failed standardized tests http://wpc.1c96.edgecastcdn.net/001...ves/g2457-2007-archived/index.html?zo=1181889 .

 

[2020Sport]

And more, from Mobil 1's page on their Annual Protection oil:

"Unsurpassed wear protection to help keep your engine running like new."

I don't see where they posted test results, only ambiguous words. Might only be talking about Mobil 1 product line. They didn't mention competitors. And of course, Mobil is infamous for failing standard tests they claim to pass. https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/med...14000-01-ro-mobil-2018-comparison-ssht-lr.pdf and https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/ShopRes/products/900px/Signature_Series_Diesel_Rust.jpg?zo=1181889 and https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/ShopRes/products/900px/Severe_Gear_Cold.jpg?zo=1181889 Why would AMSOIL sue one of their many suppliers? Better to show them up side by side with independent standardized comparison tests like the ones I posted earlier.

 

[DanW]

Pretty good. AMSOIL has higher mileage engines but could not find a Pentastar. 626,000 miles in 6? years is pretty unusual. He could have saved a lot of time and money using AMSOIL and changing every 25,000 warranted miles instead of Valvoline every 8,000 miles. Too bad his engine failed and had to swap out. These standardized independent tests do show AMSOIL outperformed Valvoline in acid neutralizing power https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/ShopRes/products/900px/Signature_Series_TBN.jpg?zo=1181889 , viscosity breakdown https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/ShopRes/products/900px/Signature_Series_Breakdown.jpg?zo=1181889 , and oil volatility https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/ShopRes/products/900px/Signature_Series_Volatility.jpg?zo=1181889

Figured you wouldn't find one. Apples to apples or no dice. Slipping back into standard Amsoil marketing again, too. Acid was a zero factor in that Pentastar. She's clean as a whistle inside and wear is minimal.

Btw, there are Pentastars with more than 625k miles on them. But interestingly I haven't found one that did it on Amsoil yet.

I also doubt Amsoil would have paid for that engine.

 

[DanW]

I don't see where they posted test results, only ambiguous words. Might only be talking about Mobil 1 product line. They didn't mention competitors. And of course, Mobil is infamous for failing standard tests they claim to pass. https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/med...14000-01-ro-mobil-2018-comparison-ssht-lr.pdf and https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/ShopRes/products/900px/Signature_Series_Diesel_Rust.jpg?zo=1181889 and https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/ShopRes/products/900px/Severe_Gear_Cold.jpg?zo=1181889 Why would AMSOIL sue one of their many suppliers? Better to show them up side by side with independent standardized comparison tests like the ones I posted earlier.

There is nothing ambiguous about "Unsurpassed wear protection." That's your imagination telling you that. They are saying your oil, nor any other, provides more wear protection. Simple. That's low hanging legal fruit if Amsoil or anyone else can prove it false.

 

[DanW]

I don't see where they posted test results, only ambiguous words. Might only be talking about Mobil 1 product line. They didn't mention competitors. And of course, Mobil is infamous for failing standard tests they claim to pass. https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/med...14000-01-ro-mobil-2018-comparison-ssht-lr.pdf and https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/ShopRes/products/900px/Signature_Series_Diesel_Rust.jpg?zo=1181889 and https://amsoilcontent.com/ams/ShopRes/products/900px/Severe_Gear_Cold.jpg?zo=1181889 Why would AMSOIL sue one of their many suppliers? Better to show them up side by side with independent standardized comparison tests like the ones I posted earlier.

So we now acknowledge that Mobil 1 is a supplier. Glad we got that straight.

Still waiting to see that Amsoil Pentastar that outperforms the Valvoline. I'm not interested in cherry picked Project Farm or Slick 50 style tests that are rejected by the industry because they don't really reflect what goes on in an engine. Let's just get right to the engine itself and see if this magic oil can beat the Valvoline. Surely with all these customers (salesmen) out there you can find a Pentastar. There have only been 11 to 12 million of them made. If you can't find one, then I'm betting it just isn't there.

You laid out the "prove it" challenge. Now the shoe is on the other foot and you can't do anything more than pour through your Spamsoil marketing handbook.

I'll keep checking back to see if you find that elusive Pentastar. In the meantime, it is pretty hard to argue with the Valvoline, or with a guy getting 626k out of a Pentastar, for that matter.

 

[CarbonSteel]

So we now acknowledge that Mobil 1 is a supplier. Glad we got that straight.

Still waiting to see that Amsoil Pentastar that outperforms the Valvoline. I'm not interested in cherry picked Project Farm or Slick 50 style tests that are rejected by the industry because they don't really reflect what goes on in an engine. Let's just get right to the engine itself and see if this magic oil can beat the Valvoline. Surely with all these customers (salesmen) out there you can find a Pentastar. There have only been 11 to 12 million of them made. If you can't find one, then I'm betting it just isn't there.

You laid out the "prove it" challenge. Now the shoe is on the other foot and you can't do anything more than pour through your Spamsoil marketing handbook.

I'll keep checking back to see if you find that elusive Pentastar. In the meantime, it is pretty hard to argue with the Valvoline, or with a guy getting 626k out of a Pentastar, for that matter.

I am guessing the Spamsoil troll has raised his head again. They never die they just find new ways to spin their playbook and/or regurgitate marketing information that is meaningless. He should have been banned long ago or forced to pay sponsor fees. Would love to see him head over to BITOG and start spreading his bovine scatology, of course, that would mean he would have to present objective facts.

I put him on permanent phuque off so that I do not have his drivel cluttering my screen--since NONE of his posts are Jeep related but are solely focused on pushing his Spamsoil agenda.

 

[CarbonSteel]

In the meantime, it is pretty hard to argue with the Valvoline, or with a guy getting 626k out of a Pentastar, for that matter.

Not practical to argue at all--how much "better" would it have been? The laughable part that is always overlooked by the trolls is one only needs an 11 foot ladder to climb out of a 10 foot hole. Having a 15 foot ladder provides no added value, it only costs more.

 

[2020Sport]

There is nothing ambiguous about "Unsurpassed wear protection." That's your imagination telling you that. They are saying your oil, nor any other, provides more wear protection. Simple. That's low hanging legal fruit if Amsoil or anyone else can prove it false.

They are not saying that at all. If you look at your source they are simply comparing within the Mobil line. They didn't compare against thousands of other oils like you think they are saying. And of course they provide no data. And of course, Mobil was made infamous by other oil companies proving Mobil didn't meet the specs or pass the tests that they state. Low credibility is a problem they created for themselves.

 

[2020Sport]

So we now acknowledge that Mobil 1 is a supplier. Glad we got that straight.

Still waiting to see that Amsoil Pentastar that outperforms the Valvoline. I'm not interested in cherry picked Project Farm or Slick 50 style tests that are rejected by the industry because they don't really reflect what goes on in an engine. Let's just get right to the engine itself and see if this magic oil can beat the Valvoline. Surely with all these customers (salesmen) out there you can find a Pentastar. There have only been 11 to 12 million of them made. If you can't find one, then I'm betting it just isn't there.

You laid out the "prove it" challenge. Now the shoe is on the other foot and you can't do anything more than pour through your Spamsoil marketing handbook.

I'll keep checking back to see if you find that elusive Pentastar. In the meantime, it is pretty hard to argue with the Valvoline, or with a guy getting 626k out of a Pentastar, for that matter.

I never stated Mobil wasn't a supplier. Mobil is one of several. I thought I made that clear. I only post claims that AMSOIL has proven with undisputed data from independent labs using standard ASTM and other oil methodology.

I get a kick out of those who think I post too much about AMSOIL and then ask me for data which I then provide.

Since you are interested in AMSOIL performance in Pentastar engines, here is a 72,000 mile oil change in one that passed with flying colors and recommended for even longer intervals by the used oil analysis company. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/72k-miles-on-amsoil-using-bypass-pentastar-v6-3-6l.295131/ Let's compare apples to apples with a Valvoline interval of the same if you can find one. If you do, AMSOIL has also passed a 600,000+ mile oil change interval.

 

[2020Sport]

Since you are interested in how AMSOIL performs in Pentastar engines, here are the results of an independent Sequence IIIH test that showed AMSOIL viscosity only increased 0.1% of the 100% allowed for passing. https://blog.amsoil.com/amsoil-crushes-sequence-iiih-engine-test/?zo=1181889 .

 

[DanW]

They are not saying that at all. If you look at your source they are simply comparing within the Mobil line. They didn't compare against thousands of other oils like you think they are saying. And of course they provide no data. And of course, Mobil was made infamous by other oil companies proving Mobil didn't meet the specs or pass the tests that they state. Low credibility is a problem they created for themselves.

In the meantime, Mobil 1 has always served my engines exceptionally well. I've never once seen an engine run on it that has worn out. The engines have always, 100% of the time, outlasted the rest of the car.

And remember that your base oils have Mobil 1 DNA. So when you trash it, you trash Amsoil.

Meanwhile, my old 3.8 that has run on 90% Mobil 1, was compression checked at 145k miles a few weeks ago by a dealer in Ashville, NC. They said every cylinder's compression was within spec for a new engine. It continues to run beautifully and as strong as ever.

So tell me again what Amsoil could do for that engine that Mobil 1 can't. And don't give me the 25k mile BS. I have a lifetime warranty and that is simply not allowed. That said, I'm pretty sure Mobil 1 AP would make 25k miles in good shape in this engine.

And I'm still waiting on that Amsoil Pentastar to beat up on poor little Valvoline. I'm even trying to help you and can't find one.

 

[DanW]

Since you are interested in how AMSOIL performs in Pentastar engines, here are the results of an independent Sequence IIIH test that showed AMSOIL viscosity only increased 0.1% of the 100% allowed for passing. https://blog.amsoil.com/amsoil-crushes-sequence-iiih-engine-test/?zo=1181889 .

More of the same. Still looking for a real-world Pentastar. And you are still shooting blanks.

Let's talk for a second about another cherry-picked Amsoil test that measures only 1 of hundreds of oil performance perameters. It is primarily used to determine deposit control, oil consumption, and thickening.

The Valvoline in the 625k Pentastar left virtually no varnish or deposits of any kind, and almost no visible wear. If it thickened, so what? I have read nor heard any indication that the engine consumed oil, at all. So it looks like Valvoline passed 2 of 3 categories with flying colors. I'd bet it didn't thicken or oxidize enough to compromise its performance, either. And Sequence IIIh is a 90 hour test. That's probably around 5k miles. 8k is significantly more, as is the occasional 11k he admitted to running. So the Valvoline ran at times twice the hours of the Sequence IIIh test. But it did no harm to the engine. So paper performance on a test that is a fraction of the real world test this engine and oil endured a number of times proves absolutely NOTHING except that Amsoil looks good on paper. It supports, in fact, what @CarbonSteel said about the size of the ladder. Whatever the Valvoline shows on that test is more than good enough. Way more.

If I were not happy with Mobil 1, or the stash of Shell Rotella Gas Truck I also have, I'd be running full sprint to Valvoline after seeing that engine. Or even the cheaper Napa oil, which is just repackaged Valvoline.

 

[2020Sport]

In the meantime, Mobil 1 has always served my engines exceptionally well. I've never once seen an engine run on it that has worn out. The engines have always, 100% of the time, outlasted the rest of the car.

And remember that your base oils have Mobil 1 DNA. So when you trash it, you trash Amsoil.

Meanwhile, my old 3.8 that has run on 90% Mobil 1, was compression checked at 145k miles a few weeks ago by a dealer in Ashville, NC. They said every cylinder's compression was within spec for a new engine. It continues to run beautifully and as strong as ever.

So tell me again what Amsoil could do for that engine that Mobil 1 can't. And don't give me the 25k mile BS. I have a lifetime warranty and that is simply not allowed. That said, I'm pretty sure Mobil 1 AP would make 25k miles in good shape in this engine.

And I'm still waiting on that Amsoil Pentastar to beat up on poor little Valvoline. I'm even trying to help you and can't find one.

AMSOIL has outperformed Mobil 1 for 45 years in independent standardized oil testing, never disputed by Mobil. Proven 25,000 mile oil changes without a single failure for 50 years. Mobil 1 still doesn't have a 25,000 mile oil after all these years. AMSOIL has never failed to meet claims or tests. Mobil 1 can't say that. Mobil 1 says I should follow my motorhome owner's manual for 3,000 mile oil changes. AMSOIL warranties and used oil analysis proved 15,000 mile changes and recommended going even longer. If you're sure that Mobil 1 AP would make 25k miles in good shape in your engine, why don't you? I'm still waiting on a 72,000 mile interval used oil analysis with Mobil 1 or Valvoline on a Pentastar engine that passes and recommends going even further. Here is a Toyota truck with over 500,000 miles that does AMSOIL 25,000 mile oil changes. Hauls heavy loads over hills. Show one with Mobil 1 or Valvoline. https://www.amsoil.com/newsstand/testimonials/articles/toyota-clocks-over-500-000-miles/?zo=1181889

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