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In working on my 2025 I've found a couple small but welcome design improvements. These might not seem like big deals, but they make it much easier to work on!

They moved the wiring for the integrated front offroad camera. In my 2021 the wiring harness was at the lower right corner. If you weren't careful it was easy to miss and you gould rip it out when taking the grill off if not careful.

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On my 2025 the camera wiring is right behind the camera, next to the washer fluid hose connector. You can't miss it, much less likely to rip it out when taking the grill off.

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Everyone knows about the redesigned grill, but most focus on the appearance and more open design allowing for more airflow. But there's also a less obvious change. The new grill doesn't extend quite as far down. This gives more room for winch wiring comign out of the back of the winch.

On my 2021 the I mounted my bumpers with longer spacers to push the bumper out from the grill to make room for the winch wiring. The winch wiring was still right up next to the bottom of grill and ended up wearing a small groove into the grill.

On my 2025, with the new grill I was able to use shorter spacers for the bumper, pushing it closer to the grill But since the grill doesn't extend as far down there is plenty of room for the winch wiring. The winch wiring doesn't even touch the painted part of the grill.

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Good observations. I forget which model, but one of them comes with a winch from the factory. Not sure if that is why they changed the grill or if they wanted to do a refresh and engineered the changes in to make that possible.
 

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I agree with your observations, but I still can't get over the way the new grill looks. It instantly reminds me of a gummy smile

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I agree with your observations, but I still can't get over the way the new grill looks. It instantly reminds me of a gummy smile

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I can't understand why in the middle of the JL's production life they decided to completely change of all things the most recognizable look of a Wrangler.
There must be a story behind it.
It could not of saved them that much money. Major downgrade, most new cars are increasing the front ends height and stature.
 

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In working on my 2025 I've found a couple small but welcome design improvements. These might not seem like big deals, but they make it much easier to work on!

They moved the wiring for the integrated front offroad camera. In my 2021 the wiring harness was at the lower right corner. If you weren't careful it was easy to miss and you gould rip it out when taking the grill off if not careful.

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On my 2025 the camera wiring is right behind the camera, next to the washer fluid hose connector. You can't miss it, much less likely to rip it out when taking the grill off.

20250720_113443.jpg


Everyone knows about the redesigned grill, but most focus on the appearance and more open design allowing for more airflow. But there's also a less obvious change. The new grill doesn't extend quite as far down. This gives more room for winch wiring comign out of the back of the winch.

On my 2021 the I mounted my bumpers with longer spacers to push the bumper out from the grill to make room for the winch wiring. The winch wiring was still right up next to the bottom of grill and ended up wearing a small groove into the grill.

On my 2025, with the new grill I was able to use shorter spacers for the bumper, pushing it closer to the grill But since the grill doesn't extend as far down there is plenty of room for the winch wiring. The winch wiring doesn't even touch the painted part of the grill.

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@TheRaven was shown a proposed all new frame and tub long before the 2024 made it to production, apparently to support Warn's winch. Maybe they found a much simpler approach? That would explain a lot.
 

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@TheRaven was shown a proposed all new frame and tub long before the 2024 made it to production, apparently to support Warn's winch. Maybe they found a much simpler approach? That would explain a lot.
Oh no you didn't.......

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I can't understand why in the middle of the JL's production life they decided to completely change of all things the most recognizable look of a Wrangler.
There must be a story behind it.
It could not of saved them that much money. Major downgrade, most new cars are increasing the front ends height and stature.
I like the look but I know everyone has their own opinions.
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@TheRaven was shown a proposed all new frame and tub long before the 2024 made it to production, apparently to support Warn's winch. Maybe they found a much simpler approach? That would explain a lot.
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Oh no you didn't.......

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This is the reason I blocked THE RAT bringing up and calling out other forum members not even in the thread. One on one back and forth is one thing but continues trolling even to other threads.
It‘s a form of harassment that should be looked down upon.
 

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Oh no you didn't.......

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This is the reason I blocked THE RAT bringing up and calling out other forum members not even in the thread. One on one back and forth is one thing but continues trolling even to other threads.
It‘s a form of harassment that should be looked down upon.
I didn't call him out. I gave him an out.
 

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I like the look but I know everyone has their own opinions.
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The new one has really grown on me. I like them both, actually. If, as touted, the new one does really help with a bit more airflow, then I'm all for it. Either way, we've got both and I like 'em both.

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Picture all of us on a bus which has a bomb wired to the speedometer. It will explode if we slow down and is managed by complex software. Only Wbino can keep the bus going and only Ratbert can stop the bomb from exploding. Sounds kinda like it should be a movie. But, y'all would be like Starsky and Hutch, Riggs and Murtaugh, Lowrey and Burnett, Doyle and Russo, Turner and Hooch.

Be happy... have fun... save us...
 

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What's up @ObiMatt87 ? Damn, I still love your Jeeps!!!!
 

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Picture all of us on a bus which has a bomb wired to the speedometer. It will explode if we slow down and is managed by complex software. Only Wbino can keep the bus going and only Ratbert can stop the bomb from exploding. Sounds kinda like it should be a movie. But, y'all would be like Starsky and Hutch, Riggs and Murtaugh, Lowrey and Burnett, Doyle and Russo, Turner and Hooch.

Be happy... have fun... save us...
I guess you'd be in AIRPORT....👈
 

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Picture all of us on a bus which has a bomb wired to the speedometer. It will explode if we slow down and is managed by complex software. Only Wbino can keep the bus going and only Ratbert can stop the bomb from exploding. Sounds kinda like it should be a movie. But, y'all would be like Starsky and Hutch, Riggs and Murtaugh, Lowrey and Burnett, Doyle and Russo, Turner and Hooch.

Be happy... have fun... save us...
With all the grudge holding I’m voting for Cagney and Lacey, Thelma and Louise, Laverne and Shirley.
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