Will the BEV J70 be scrapped?

[Zandcwhite]

Not if you own it. Would an EV charger make a house more appealing to rent, hell yeah. If I owned rental property I’d install them to get more appeal. But here, especially with insurance concerns, no way would I allow a renter to do any electrical work. Nor would I as a renter do any.

But then again, the only times I’ve rented was in the military, or between home ownership. I know many who’ve rented for years and have no interest in ownership. That’s an entirely different discussion.

I think part of the issue with these discussions is that those in a part of the country that have done more infrastructure work to support easy EV use may not understand that things are very different outside of major metro areas, or inland from the coasts. Ft Worth or Sioux Falls ins’t going to have the same charging infrastructure as Sacramento or Miami.

For sure, and it's something that one should think about/ look into before they decide to buy. Especially if you're a renter.

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[Pape]

More than half of the top EV sales models are above the $55k limit or $80k limit for trucks, suvs, and vans. They are not and we're not ever propped up by the government. They are just good vehicles and in many ways better than their competitors regardless of powertrain. No personal experience in the f150 lighting or Silverado EV but the specs are impressive. The lucid air is nicer inside than any Mercedes, BMW, or Lexus I've ever been in and it's a blast to drive. And they all start above that $55k cut off...I wonder why they sell?
Even then odds are either the main panel is on the garage and/or there's a sub panel in the garage. It's not hard to get a 230v circuit.

Actually around here there is a lot of tax on fuel for various thing including but not limited to public transport, road usage and so on. So much that starting this year there is now extra charge on EV plate to account for all of the tax not collected. This is regardless of the EV price.

There is also the government incentive for the home electrical charger. This one is also regardless of price range.

You are also not accounting all the tax break and incentive for car maker to build EV, let not forget all the money invested in the battery plant facility by the government.

Actually not sure why I write all of this, My local government will give me money if I buy mostly anything remotely electric, including the 4Xe or even a model Y.

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[Zandcwhite]

Actually around here there is a lot of tax on fuel for various thing including but not limited to public transport, road usage and so on. So much that starting this year there is now extra charge on EV plate to account for all of the tax not collected. This is regardless of the EV price.

There is also the government incentive for the home electrical charger. This one is also regardless of price range.

You are also not accounting all the tax break and incentive for car maker to build EV, let not forget all the money invested in the battery plant facility by the government.

Actually not sure why I write all of this, My local government will give me money if I buy mostly anything remotely electric, including the 4Xe or even a model Y.

And there have never been oil subsidies or tax breaks for ice manufacturers or massive bailouts when they mismanaged those companies to the brink of bankruptcy at the tax payers expense....

 

[The Last Cowboy]

And there have never been oil subsidies or tax breaks for ice manufacturers or massive bailouts when they mismanaged those companies to the brink of bankruptcy at the tax payers expense....

There absolutely have. Oil and gas, and heavy manufacturing are vital to the nation so that it can respond in the event of war. That's not something many think about, or want to discuss, but it's true. And it's why those industries, along with the airplane manufacturing industry are disproportionately subsidized and/or bailed out. To not have the heavy industry factories in operation and able to switch quickly to the production of war materiel puts the country in a catch up position.

In my opinion, electric vehicle plants could be converted for wartime efforts too, so they deserve the same consideration. Also, to be fair, the green energy sector has had more than it's share of subsidy. Everything ebbs and flows though. We are not all going to wake up tomorrow forced to go turn in our ICE vehicles. I would be more concerned about the information late model vehicles collect, and download via your home WiFi or cellular connection than I would about being forced into an EV. And neither is something that keeps me up at night.

 

[Pape]

And there have never been oil subsidies or tax breaks for ice manufacturers or massive bailouts when they mismanaged those companies to the brink of bankruptcy at the tax payers expense....

Would not say this is the same. I do not recall old Ford having government money to replace the horse back in the day. Just a man and it product.

 

[Ratbert]

Would not say this is the same. I do not recall old Ford having government money to replace the horse back in the day. Just a man and it product.

I'm thinking Ford was the only one that didn't take the bailout money.

 

[Pape]

I'm thinking Ford was the only one that didn't take the bailout money.

Ya, what you get for being financially responsible, nothing, what you get if you are financially irresponsible, bails out money.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

I'm thinking Ford was the only one that didn't take the bailout money.

Ford did advocate for GM and DaimlerChrysler though. Their stance was that the supply chain would be irrevocably damaged if those companies failed.

And last year or so, Ford took a bailout for their EV division, or they would have had to bankrupt it.

So yeah, too big to fail still means something to a certain degree.

 

[BXFXJeep]

One reason people probably stay away from EVs is all that junk tech they load them up with, people are very familiar how tech in vehicles are garbage, and are very expensive to fix when they break, all people want the vehicle to do is get to A to B.

That $1,000+ radio in the Wrangler can't even play simple music properly, and if it breaks you are forced to buy the same garbage to replace it.

 

[Pape]

One reason people probably stay away from EVs is all that junk tech they load them up with, people are very familiar how tech in vehicles are garbage, and are very expensive to fix when they break, all people want the vehicle to do is get to A to B.

That $1,000+ radio in the Wrangler can't even play simple music properly, and if it breaks you are forced to buy the same garbage to replace it.

Speaking of the BEV being on shaking ground, did you see the Canada's Electric Vehicle Availability Standard (regulated targets for zero-emission vehicles) ?

I guess we cannot let all this investment go down the drain

 

[BXFXJeep]

Speaking of the BEV being on shaking ground, did you see the Canada's Electric Vehicle Availability Standard (regulated targets for zero-emission vehicles) ?

I guess we cannot let all this investment go down the drain

Canada is an example of why this EV scheme is dangerous and nefarious.

Canada does not really want the masses to drive private vehicles, EVs is one of their schemes to make private vehicles unaffordable, and basically just have the upper middle class and higher use private vehicles.

The rest will be forced to use bus and bicycles.

Notice how Canadian cities are removing lanes from roads with various schemes like bike lanes and patios, and other nonsensical .

If Americans don't buy into the EV scheme it makes it difficult for Canada to switch.

 

[Pape]

Canada is an example of why this EV scheme is dangerous and nefarious.

Canada does not really want the masses to drive private vehicles, EVs is one of their schemes to make private vehicles unaffordable, and basically just have the upper middle class and higher use private vehicles.

The rest will be forced to use bus and bicycles.

Notice how Canadian cities are removing lanes from roads with various schemes like bike lanes and patios, and other nonsensical .

If Americans don't buy into the EV scheme it makes it difficult for Canada to switch.

Ho man, you are down the rabbit hole, to bad I'm along with you there.
Funny as you came across as not in that group type before

 

[Ron Texas]

Threads involving EV's tend to degenerate just as this one has. People who like EV's have a way of ignoring the problems (like what problems) and those who hate them would like the first group to drive off into the sunset never to be heard again.

The way things are going, the 4xe could easily be dead in a year. No tax credit, a $100 yearly fee and slack fuel efficiency standards removing the CAFE fines could easily be the end of that model. Maybe a non plug in hybrid will replace it. Toyota/Lexus can't make enough of them.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Threads involving EV's tend to degenerate just as this one has. People who like EV's have a way of ignoring the problems (like what problems) and those who hate them would like the first group to drive off into the sunset never to be heard again.

The way things are going, the 4xe could easily be dead in a year. No tax credit, a $100 yearly fee and slack fuel efficiency standards removing the CAFE fines could easily be the end of that model. Maybe a non plug in hybrid will replace it. Toyota/Lexus can't make enough of them.

There is no fun in non plug in hybrids, I wouldn't buy one. HEVs are great for boring high mileage vehicles, like taxis and long commutes.

4xe type hybrids are a lot of fun, pure electric driving, and tons of power, the major downside with the 4xe, is dealerships that can't competently do an oil change are expected to service these vehicles. They are also over priced, probably because the manufacturers know the taxpayers are subsidizing the purchase.

 

[Ron Texas]

There is no fun in non plug in hybrids, I wouldn't buy one. HEVs are great for boring high mileage vehicles, like taxis and long commutes.

The only thing wrong with mentioning a non plug in hybrid around here is Jeep doesn't make one but they make a plug in hybrid so 4xe owners naturally diss the concept.

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