Will the BEV J70 be scrapped?

[jeepingib]

Do you mean like this? https://www.stellantis.com/en/news/...-milestone-in-solid-state-battery-development

It will be interesting to see how it performs in the real world.

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[Ron Texas]

I believe that you aren't remembering that information properly. Even back then when Stellantis announced it, it was that every vehicle in the line would have an electrified option available. And the Wrangler is already covered by their definition, as they consider the plug in hybrid 4xe a version of electrification.

My view is Stellantis has been very vague about the future ICE Wrangler. Their definition of electrified is vague. The only specific is there will be a BEV and a BEV with a range extender. The later is nothing like the 4xe which has an engine connected to the wheels. The broad definition of electrified includes the eTorque system which unfortunately isn't available. I have one and it drives much better than a regular 3.6 with stop start which does not annoy.

 

[Ron Texas]

"I can almost guarantee a full BEV wrangler is not even remotely being considered anymore. All of our electric vehicles are being pushes back or outright cancelled.

It's also a complete waste of materials to slam a massive battery pack into a wrangler. The hummer shouldnt exist either for that matter"


(From @AlphaWolf )

I guess this is the answer to the question, from anther thread. How come nobody remembers this?

 

[Ratbert]

Overall, EV sales, excluding Tesla, are unremarkable to bad. Even Tesla is seeing a downturn. More likely due to overall lack of EV enthusiasm combined with inflation, as opposed to CEOs recent governmental role.

Not for all EV companies. BYD is already overtaking Tesla in some markets. https://electrek.co/2025/05/06/byd-takes-spotlight-germany-sales-surge-750-april/

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Not for all EV companies. BYD is already overtaking Tesla in some markets. https://electrek.co/2025/05/06/byd-takes-spotlight-germany-sales-surge-750-april/

But not sold in the US. If it could sell here for what it does elsewhere, the wait would be long to get one. I believe they were positioning for the US market with their plant development in Mexico. They still may aim for California if the resolve remains to move forward with a state EV mandate.

 

[Ratbert]

But not sold in the US. If it could sell here for what it does elsewhere, the wait would be long to get one. I believe they were positioning for the US market with their plant development in Mexico. They still may aim for California if the resolve remains to move forward with a state EV mandate.

I haven't kept up with the tariff bouncing ball. It was 145% at one point, making it impossible to sell them here for a price similar to elsewhere on the planet.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Meanwhile Tesla sues Canada because their virtual signalling backfired, I suspected the woke Canadian government was just jumping on the anti whatever bandwagon when they froze the rebates then went weirdly silent.

https://www.rebelnews.com/tesla_threatens_legal_action_over_frozen_ev_rebates

 

[Ratbert]

Meanwhile Tesla sues Canada because their virtual signalling backfired, I suspected the woke Canadian government was just jumping on the anti whatever bandwagon when they froze the rebates then went weirdly silent.

https://www.rebelnews.com/tesla_threatens_legal_action_over_frozen_ev_rebates

You don't find it suspicious that four Tesla locations claimed to have sold 8,653 vehicles ($43 million CAD in rebates) over three days? It would have required selling about two cars per minute continuously over 72 hours, including times when dealerships were closed.

From the article you linked: “No payments will be made until we are confident claims are valid." Doesn't that seem appropriate, especially considering the incredibly questionable rate of "sales"?

 

[Zandcwhite]

Aren’t free un manipulated market forces a wonderful thing and the true indicator. As it should be with bans, mandates, bribes, production percentages, energy policies, and so on not manipulating it. When EV tech advances make them more attractive to more people free market choice will respond accordingly. ….

I'm all for a mostly free market, but I still remember not even being able to see downtown LA coming down the grapevine in the early 80s. Unregulated people and industry will always lead to destruction of anything and everything that gets in the way of profits. Granted like everything else it gets bastardized and pushed to the extreme by those that just want more control. There's a happy medium somewhere in the middle.

 

[2nd 392]

I'm all for a mostly free market, but I still remember not even being able to see downtown LA coming down the grapevine in the early 80s. Unregulated people and industry will always lead to destruction of anything and everything that gets in the way of profits. Granted like everything else it gets bastardized and pushed to the extreme by those that just want more control. There's a happy medium somewhere in the middle.

Yep- old Ca native lived it, when CARB was given the exemption from complying with federal standards in the mid 70’s they were minimal and it was needed. We now see how agenda driven it has become, the happy medium is apparently comprised of unobtainium.

 

[BXFXJeep]

You don't find it suspicious that four Tesla locations claimed to have sold 8,653 vehicles ($43 million CAD in rebates) over three days? It would have required selling about two cars per minute continuously over 72 hours, including times when dealerships were closed.

From the article you linked: “No payments will be made until we are confident claims are valid." Doesn't that seem appropriate, especially considering the incredibly questionable rate of "sales"?

Quebec and BC sell the bulk of Tesla, it has been months and the federal government has not shown proof Tesla did anything wrong, one article a couple of months ago said bulk claims at the end of a sales cycle was common practice.

This is against a government that is k own to be spiteful and vindictive, many Canadian governments have banned Tesla from EV programs just because they don't like Musk anymore.

There would have been 3 different rebate claims, 1 to the Federal government which froze the payments, and Quebec and BC provincial government rebates, we have not heard anything that those two provinces froze payments or claiming anything suspicious like the federal government.

The federal government has a long track record of lying and manipulating data when it comes to their climate emergency schemes.

I personally do not think that taxpayers should be paying people to buy cars in the first place.

 

[alphawolff]

Just about all the full EV plans are being put on hold at CDJR. Can't speak for the euro brands. The only reason we got the charger/wagoneer is because the damn things were already built when they decided to redirect the ship after Traveres left. We *might* see the Ramcharger and new 4XE platform.

Check back in 4 years to see where we're heading. I don't think there's a good reason to force out an EV for the U.S. market when the current admin is effectively eliminating the EPA.

You don't find it suspicious that four Tesla locations claimed to have sold 8,653 vehicles ($43 million CAD in rebates) over three days? It would have required selling about two cars per minute continuously over 72 hours, including times when dealerships were closed.

From the article you linked: “No payments will be made until we are confident claims are valid." Doesn't that seem appropriate, especially considering the incredibly questionable rate of "sales"?

IIRC Tesla worded it as processing a massive backlog of rebates at once. Personally I don't believe that shit for a second, no business sits around on $43 million while their sales have been declining year over year, not including the current climate.

 

[Ron Texas]

The problem at Tesla is Musk should have stuck to running the company instead of what he's been doing this year.

 

[BXFXJeep]

The problem at Tesla is Musk should have stuck to running the company instead of what he's been doing this year.

Because we taxpayers all love waste

Anti Musk Canada, where 1 in 4 workers are employed by the government.

 

[Zandcwhite]

The problem at Tesla is Musk should have stuck to running the company instead of what he's been doing this year.

Is there really a problem at tesla? Sure sales were down from 23 to 24 for the 1st time in a decade...by a whole 1.1%. I'm pretty sure they'll be fine. Sold more than Stellantis in 2024 by >400,000 vehicles. And Stellantis sales were down by 15% not 1.1%.

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