Which powertrain would you get?

[Strommen95]

Oohh and I get an insult. Listen, he said torque or horsepower doesn’t come into play when discussing resale value. I think it doesn’t especially today when everyone talks about 0-60 times and the high torque EVs. Then you come in talking number of vehicles sold. Why? How is that even relevant? Do a better just of explaining what you’re talking about and less time insulting people. Got it?!?

Nice edit. You can think whatever you want, fact is Jeeps with either the 3.6 or 3.8 have retained their value as much, if not more than other engine options. That's not an opinion so it doesn't really matter what you think in this regard.

I already told you supply and demand. Calling you ignorant is not an insult, it's just the truth considering you can't grasp that a 392 is sought after because there's so few of them. Ignorant means to not know, to be uneducated in something. You said engine values have to do with HP and torque. Considering the 2.0, 3.0 and 4xe don't have higher resale value than the 3.6, that's false. You then brought up the 392. The 392 commands the most because of supply and demand. It's been sought after for years and there's very few of them available. What's hard to understand?

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[gerlbaum]

Geez, I must have really hurt your feelings. Sorry. I’ll bow out of this discussion.

 

[Strommen95]

you’re just not fond of the outcome.

If you can’t handle defending your points and hearing contrary, maybe you shouldn’t bring the heat or have an attitude yourself. You look very childish.

 

[vsav8r]

They look like the stock EcoDiesel stops.

Yeah, that’s why I would like to know if EcoDiesel owners are finding the bumpstops getting in the way on the trail or not, and if so, if they are replacing them with aftermarket stops.

We ended up cutting mine to standard JL bump tube length and running Teraflex speed bumps. No issues on the trail but also no equivalent experience with stock bumps. The stock bump stops were only on for about 30 miles after delivery. It does take full flex and turn the way we are stopped now to get the tires to just rub the fenders.

 

[Outrun]

So in reality, the 392 V8 will deliver in real-time basically the same horsepower that the 3.6 V6 will produce. There is an upper limit to the amount of power that can be applied instantaneously. If you want to spend an insane amount of money to essentially get the same delivered output as the V6, be my guest at increasing FCA (or Stellantis) profit margins.

For what it's worth.
Jay

Wait, what?

 

[jeepoch]

Wait, what?

@Outrun,

Maybe I wasn't clear. Instantaneous torque must be managed. Average applied power overall will certainly be much more with the V8. Power management is basically protecting the powertrain from both 2nd and 3rd derivative force vectors, acceleration and jerk respectively.

Constant delivered torque can certainly be much higher with the larger displacement power plants. But how constant are you with the accelerator? The engine and transmission controllers are calibrated to 'know' the powertrain's maximum energy threshold limits. These limits can typically be easily achieved with any power plant, especially the larger ones. But no matter what, these limits are fixed independent of the engine. When the upper energy threshold is achieved, power is governed so that no damage will occur.

Technology has evolved way beyond the muscle cars of the past. The true science (or art) of the powertrain implementation is to just give you the 'impression' that you're getting what power your requesting without the possibility of blowing things up.

Hope this helps clears things up.
Jay

 

[OllieChristopher]

It's far to easy for a prospective buyer to become apprehensive after they spend some time reading these forums. The reality is that the total membership here only represents a drop in the bucket of global ownership, the enthusiasts and DIYer's looking for a fix to their issue. Even the number of members with problematic Jeeps only makes up a fraction of a percent. I get other members pm'ing me often enough that I spend half my forum time in the private threads. 95% of the issues stem from the use of budget parts and/or faulty installation. Most of the remaining 5% could be avoided by taking your advice of a 3 year battery swap schedule.

Well said Mike!! My takeaway on this thread is not to listen to over 80% of the members posting. If I did then I will not consider a Wrangler. I would be running to the nearest Toyota dealer and getting a 4Runner.

Why would I purchase a Jeep if I was already thinking of unloading it in a few years after it is out of warranty?

This reminds me of a riding buddy who beat the crap out of his KTM 300's and got a new one every year. I felt sorry for the new owners who were getting a cosmetically sound but mechanically flogged machine.

I will be a whole different breed of owner if I get a Wrangler. It will be a 2 door with the smallest motor (not in the poll). I will do most all of the maintenance, modifications and repairs myself (except Chrysler software diagnostics). And I plan on keeping it for many many years top come. My last purchased new 4 wheeled vehicle got over 300,000 miles before I traded it up for my current one that now has over 140,000 miles.

I see no reason a Jeep Wrangler (regardless of engine choice), can't last at least 10-15 years and 300,000 miles with just minimal routine maintenance, R&R consumables (brakes, tires, chassis, valve jobs, timing belts, turbo's, injectors, re-man transmission, etc).

And then you have the off road damage that will be incurred no matter what vehicle you drive. That is where it gets expensive.

 

[OllieChristopher]

And I recommend to anyone not to get all warm and fuzzy about getting a new vehicle after the warranty expires. Cost wise it's taking a huge hit. In normal times a 3-4 year old vehicle loses a lot of value and new one costs a lot more when compared to cost of keeping what you have.

 

[mwilk012]

Yup, it’s cheaper.

No?

 

[Headbarcode]

Well said Mike!! My takeaway on this thread is not to listen to over 80% of the members posting. If I did then I will not consider a Wrangler. I would be running to the nearest Toyota dealer and getting a 4Runner.

Why would I purchase a Jeep if I was already thinking of unloading it in a few years after it is out of warranty?

This reminds me of a riding buddy who beat the crap out of his KTM 300's and got a new one every year. I felt sorry for the new owners who were getting a cosmetically sound but mechanically flogged machine.

I will be a whole different breed of owner if I get a Wrangler. It will be a 2 door with the smallest motor (not in the poll). I will do most all of the maintenance, modifications and repairs myself (except Chrysler software diagnostics). And I plan on keeping it for many many years top come. My last purchased new 4 wheeled vehicle got over 300,000 miles before I traded it up for my current one that now has over 140,000 miles.

I see no reason a Jeep Wrangler (regardless of engine choice), can't last at least 10-15 years and 300,000 miles with just minimal routine maintenance, R&R consumables (brakes, tires, chassis, valve jobs, timing belts, turbo's, injectors, re-man transmission, etc).

And then you have the off road damage that will be incurred no matter what vehicle you drive. That is where it gets expensive.

Yeah, my 2019 2.0 turbo JLUR is with me for the long haul. Only question with that is what engine I go with after the 2.0 tires out.

 

[OllieChristopher]

Yeah, my 2019 2.0 turbo JLUR is with me for the long haul. Only question with that is what engine I go with after the 2.0 tires out.

392 of course!! LOL

 

[sologeek]

I am ordering a 2022 EcoDiesel. My reasoning:

• I have a friend that loves his (in a Ram) and has zero issues after almost 100K
• Jeep will be a toy used on adventures, most trips will be long so not worried about regen
• Maintenance costs are blown of of proportion
• Regardless I do my own maintenance and can work on anything (except transmissions)
• I can afford the parts if/when things happen
• I love the beautiful diesel "clatter"
• TORQUE

Don't get the EcoDiesel to save money on "gas"...get the EcoDiesel for the Torque and the experience.

Well said! I agree 100%.

 

[Headbarcode]

392 of course!! LOL

 

[2nd 392]

392 of course!! LOL

Highly likely If he waits until his 19 wears out If he wants a 392 it will have to be used. So better get it soon if he wants one new

 

[GGolds]

I have a 2021 4xe unlimited Rubicon. I love it. Filled the tank once this month. Just enough pure electric to get me to errands and local hot spots. 4000 miles now and it's perfect. I traded in my 19 for the 21 and got almost what I paid for it. Wrangler has the number ONE resale value of anything and everything SUV, car, Or truck out there. The 4xe rides smoother because of it's weight. Floor it and you can feel your cheeks push back. The diesel is high maintenance and I'm not sold on it's technology. The V6 is an excellent choice as well. I Love my Wrangler.

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