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I preordered mine in Nov of '20 before pricing was released, so I have a very early build. It's had some issues which I fully expected. The vast majority won't be as troublesome, but you'll still encounter the odd lemon.

Design wise, the things about the 4xe that may prove frustrating have to do with the rear seat due to the interior battery, the extra weight, and some peculiarities under hood and in the suspension.

The rear seat doesn't fold the same way your Sport S does. If you're 6' tall and want to sleep in the back, you won't fit due the rear seat bottom folding up against the front seat back. This leaves large hump between the front seat back and the folded down, rear seat back. Secondly, the rear seat's backrest is about 7" taller than the rest of the rear cargo area. You can make or but a platform that levels out this area, but your Sport didn't require any mods to use all of the cargo area or to sleep in the back.

Next is the extra weight. Most of the time you won't notice this, or it may even prove useful to give the Jeep a more planted feel on road. However, when on loose sand or deep&soft snow it becomes more challenging to float on your tires. Climbing over rocks can also be a bit more of a challenge. However, in wet, slushy snow you may actually benefit from a better ability to reach the road given the identical tires on your Sport vs the 4xe.

Under hood differences (it's packed full!) prevent many of the common accessories or their mounting locations from being used. The passenger side under hood has extra cooling system reservoirs for instance.

If you're looking for skid plates, make sure they're specifically designed for the 4xe since many of the bracket locations are different.

Finally, because of the extra weight, you need to make sure any springs or shocks are intended for the extra heft of the 4xe. Most exterior bolt-ons will transfer between Gas & Hybrid models, but don't even bother trying to swap suspension bits.
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There is a video of a 4xe going boom on some fire fighters in Colorado and Belgium. Just something to consider.
 

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I feel the need to come back and defend my beloved 4xe. It has had far fewer issues than my TJs each had.......so much of what we read on this forum is anecdotal- never work, a friend of a friend's 4xe......to those who have had issues, sorry for your experiences. For those who are just afraid of technology, I'm also sorry. Mine, again, has been great and produced many smiles as the Gods of Wrangler intended.
 

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Whether or not you get one with gremlins, I personally can't stand the way they drive. The torque is great when you have electric, but driving one where the battery is dead and you're dependent on the 2.0T, it took a lot of the joy of driving a Wrangler out of it for me.

I like how light, bouncy, and nimble my two door JLR feels, even with the 35's and other weight I've added since new. I enjoy the 2.0T much more than I thought I would, but again, I've spent some time behind the wheel of one and it just wasn't for me.

If you like the way it drives, even when you don't have juice for electric, then I say go for it!

Also consider, that batteries are wear items and eventually, the massive battery packs will need to be replaced. This is true for all electric vehicles. I would plan to lease and order another one every few years before dealing with those issues down the line. I've read you should be able to get 7-10 years out of the battery packs before you notice significant wear, but I couldn't tell you how accurate that is, and nobody has had one long enough to find out.
 

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Do note that owners who have purchased a vehicle are more inclined to ignore the more frequent service visits in an attempt to justify their purchase. Every person has their own threshold for tolerable days down before they change their opinion. Jeep owners in general put up with a lot compared to most other brands. It's just a totally different lifestyle vehicle compared to something like a Toyota corolla.

I will say as a dealer technician the amount of 4XEs (and hybrid Paicifcas) I see under 15000 miles with CELs is beyond embarrassing from a brand reputation standpoint. The coolant heater for example isn't a "if it will fail" it's a "when will it fail". Then you get the part replaced with an identical part that will just fail again down the line. We still have new 2024s failing for some reason.

If you plan on keeping the vehicle outside of its 10 year hybrid warrant you better be prepared to open you wallet up like those crazies who keep their decrepit PT cruisers on the road. If you plan keeping the vehicle for a few years, or ideally leasing it, and don't mind the frequent shop visit then go for it. The 4XE drives very well and is a damn capable platform. It just has a laundry list of gremlins that never seem to get worked out. There's also the exploding battery pack thing, but every single PHEV/BEV suffers from that it seems.
 

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Plan on keeping my '21 JLUR 4xe a long time. The smaller gas tank is annoying on legit road trips. Driving 1000 miles between gasoline fuel stops is wonderful. The weight is fine, it actually settles the platform a bit. Watch your accessories to ensure they fit 4xe.
 

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Do note that owners who have purchased a vehicle are more inclined to ignore the more frequent service visits in an attempt to justify their purchase. Every person has their own threshold for tolerable days down before they change their opinion. Jeep owners in general put up with a lot compared to most other brands. It's just a totally different lifestyle vehicle compared to something like a Toyota corolla.

I will say as a dealer technician the amount of 4XEs (and hybrid Paicifcas) I see under 15000 miles with CELs is beyond embarrassing from a brand reputation standpoint. The coolant heater for example isn't a "if it will fail" it's a "when will it fail". Then you get the part replaced with an identical part that will just fail again down the line. We still have new 2024s failing for some reason.

If you plan on keeping the vehicle outside of its 10 year hybrid warrant you better be prepared to open you wallet up like those crazies who keep their decrepit PT cruisers on the road. If you plan keeping the vehicle for a few years, or ideally leasing it, and don't mind the frequent shop visit then go for it. The 4XE drives very well and is a damn capable platform. It just has a laundry list of gremlins that never seem to get worked out. There's also the exploding battery pack thing, but every single PHEV/BEV suffers from that it seems.
I wish people were more willing to listen to dealer techs when making a purchasing decision. You would think they would know which models are reliable or not, and why.

On a funnier note, you’ll also learn to hate other EV drivers:

Jeep Wrangler JL What am I going to hate? IMG_8709
 

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Going to be trading or selling our 2019 Sport S and looking at the Willy's 4xe models. Had no intention of even considering a 4xe until I drove one at the dealership yesterday. Wow! That power in hybrid mode was fun along with how quiet and responsive it was in electric mode. The Jeep also seemed to ride a bit better than our 2019, guessing the extra battery weight factored there.

Coming from an ICE 2019 Sport S -- What am I going to hate? Looks like I lose the under back seat storage space, any other storage I would lose? Most of our trips are short trips that are under our around 20 miles with a trip once a week that would be ~60 miles. From reading it appears that longer trip may help avoid the dreaded FORM? What are some other common complaints or "I really miss..." that I might not be thinking of at the moment?

Also debating leasing as well to take advantage of the $7500 tax credit. What are some good sites/resources to help me get smart on leasing so I don't get bent over going that route?
Wow! That power in hybrid mode was fun
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I feel the need to come back and defend my beloved 4xe. It has had far fewer issues than my TJs each had.......so much of what we read on this forum is anecdotal- never work, a friend of a friend's 4xe......to those who have had issues, sorry for your experiences. For those who are just afraid of technology, I'm also sorry. Mine, again, has been great and produced many smiles as the Gods of Wrangler intended.
Glad you have had a good experience, but to say :
For those who are just afraid of technology
I think people are less AFRAID and are just being more HESITANT.

IMO, there are several reasons I wouldn't buy one... ask me again in 8-10 years... but ONLY if China isn't still cornering the battery market.
 

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Glad you have had a good experience, but to say :

I think people are less AFRAID and are just being more HESITANT.

IMO, there are several reasons I wouldn't buy one... ask me again in 8-10 years... but ONLY if China isn't still cornering the battery market.
The Stellantis CEO said during an interview the other month he is incredibly afraid of cheap china BEVs entering the market like it's a threat to our brands.

In the USA "made in china" is synonymous with cheap, unreliable garbage.
 

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The Stellantis CEO said during an interview the other month he is incredibly afraid of cheap china BEVs entering the market like it's a threat to our brands.

In the USA "made in china" is synonymous with cheap, unreliable garbage.
People use to think that about the Korean brands, too. Not so much anymore.
 

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The Stellantis CEO said during an interview the other month he is incredibly afraid of cheap china BEVs entering the market like it's a threat to our brands.

In the USA "made in china" is synonymous with cheap, unreliable garbage.
? Yet everything sold in America is made in China, or made in China and sold as NAFTA.

They are actually afraid because China can pump out a more reliable product for a lot cheaper, currently the Big 3 are pumping out expensive junk.
 
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