What am I going to hate?

[Dale's Jeep]

Reading some threads on this forum that ALL Jeeps are junk. To slow, rattle, poor mileage blah, blah. I love my Jeep

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[evo8904]

Reading some threads on this forum that ALL Jeeps are junk. To slow, rattle, poor mileage blah, blah. I love my Jeep

Exactly! I’m even surprised by the high number of Jeep owners that are mechanically challenged. I’ve started telling these people that they need a left handed metric wrench to loosen the gas cap.

 

[PatriotX]

Whether or not you get one with gremlins, I personally can't stand the way they drive. The torque is great when you have electric, but driving one where the battery is dead and you're dependent on the 2.0T, it took a lot of the joy of driving a Wrangler out of it for me.

I like how light, bouncy, and nimble my two door JLR feels, even with the 35's and other weight I've added since new. I enjoy the 2.0T much more than I thought I would, but again, I've spent some time behind the wheel of one and it just wasn't for me.

If you like the way it drives, even when you don't have juice for electric, then I say go for it!

Also consider, that batteries are wear items and eventually, the massive battery packs will need to be replaced. This is true for all electric vehicles. I would plan to lease and order another one every few years before dealing with those issues down the line. I've read you should be able to get 7-10 years out of the battery packs before you notice significant wear, but I couldn't tell you how accurate that is, and nobody has had one long enough to find out.

I call Shenanigans

I doubt you’ve even driven one. The vehicle always has full power.


OP, the usual Karens and agenda driven members are here in full force. Good luck with your decision. Mine has been solid

 

[exilepa]

Damn. This thread escalated quickly!

 

[PatriotX]

I’m at 50/50 on it. My 4xe was problematic. My 23 3.6 so far rock solid

Your 4xe had an EVAP issue with the gas motor. Stop coming in every hybrid thread and trashing electric.

Every thread.

 

[exilepa]

The rear seat doesn't fold the same way your Sport S does. If you're 6' tall and want to sleep in the back, you won't fit due the rear seat bottom folding up against the front seat back. This leaves large hump between the front seat back and the folded down, rear seat back. Secondly, the rear seat's backrest is about 7" taller than the rest of the rear cargo area. You can make or but a platform that levels out this area, but your Sport didn't require any mods to use all of the cargo area or to sleep in the back.

Next is the extra weight. Most of the time you won't notice this, or it may even prove useful to give the Jeep a more planted feel on road. However, when on loose sand or deep&soft snow it becomes more challenging to float on your tires. Climbing over rocks can also be a bit more of a challenge. However, in wet, slushy snow you may actually benefit from a better ability to reach the road given the identical tires on your Sport vs the 4xe.

This is great feedback and highlights a few things I hadn't thought about. I fold down the backseats in my current Sport way more than I thought I would to haul odd IT equipment and such. It's already sometimes awkward enough trying to get things level, this might be even more of an irritant.

That extra weight really did make the Jeep feel more planted and ride smoother. I wonder if anyone has messed around with just adding weight under the rear seat in a non-4xe to see if the same dynamic is achieved by adding even 400lbs, or if it has more to do with how the weight is spread evenly with the batteries. ?

 

[evo8904]

I call Shenanigans

I doubt you’ve even driven one. The vehicle always has full power.


OP, the usual Karens and agenda driven members are here in full force. Good luck with your decision. Mine has been solid

Agreed! It’s clear that most of the negative posters have never driven one. Even when it says 0% there is still battery power.

 

[ELJL]

? another interesting thread. I see some political posts, but no block/closure. ?

Jeep corp., are you really just asking the brand loyal what to do to ‘fix’ the 4xe?

 

[BXFXJeep]

Whether or not you get one with gremlins, I personally can't stand the way they drive. The torque is great when you have electric, but driving one where the battery is dead and you're dependent on the 2.0T, it took a lot of the joy of driving a Wrangler out of it for me.

I like how light, bouncy, and nimble my two door JLR feels, even with the 35's and other weight I've added since new. I enjoy the 2.0T much more than I thought I would, but again, I've spent some time behind the wheel of one and it just wasn't for me.

If you like the way it drives, even when you don't have juice for electric, then I say go for it!

Also consider, that batteries are wear items and eventually, the massive battery packs will need to be replaced. This is true for all electric vehicles. I would plan to lease and order another one every few years before dealing with those issues down the line. I've read you should be able to get 7-10 years out of the battery packs before you notice significant wear, but I couldn't tell you how accurate that is, and nobody has had one long enough to find out.

This is here is what you would hate most, people making ? up and giving bad information.

"where the battery is dead" ?

 

[tomk62]

At least with China entering the market American cars will no longer be the least reliable on the road LOL

I don't think chinesium rusts ...

 

[BigMaCro]

As you're apparently in IT, this debate is pretty much Mac vs. PC or iPhone vs. Android. Some people will never change their positions, and some in the middle might try one or the other. If you are in IT, as I was, you may appreciate the EV technology, as I do. Through research and experience I figure out what the powertrain is doing and why.

In 2 years and 40,000 miles, I got 3 free oil changes, and at the same time had some recalls for seat belt retractors (that affected Ram pickups too) and software updates applied. I have not experienced any problems of it not behaving as designed.

If you look at my threads, you'll see this is not a mall crawler, either.

 

[tomk62]

but driving one where the battery is dead and you're dependent on the 2.0T, it took a lot of the joy of driving a Wrangler out of it for me.

The vehicle always has full power.

Even when it says 0% there is still battery power.

"where the battery is dead" ?

I am not understanding these replies.

At what point is the battery useless then? Surely it can't provide unlimited power and you must use the ICE after a certain distance?

 

[evo8904]

I am not understanding these replies.

At what point is the battery useless then? Surely it can't provide unlimited power and you must use the ICE after a certain distance?

The 4xe is always a hybrid even when the battery displays 0%. Even at 0% you will still have the same amount of HP and toque. You just won’t be able drive it in electric mode. There are a ton of videos of this on YouTube.

 

[BXFXJeep]

I am not understanding these replies.

At what point is the battery useless then? Surely it can't provide unlimited power and you must use the ICE after a certain distance?

It surely can provide "unlimited power", what it does not do is provide "unlimited" electric range, but that is not the reason someone would be buying a PHEV in the first place.

If someone wants "unlimited" electric range they should be looking at a BEV, which the 4xe does not claim to be.

 

[Dabrakeman]

Yes I believe it always maintains about 14% charge if I recall correctly even if displays 0%. IF you are still running on engine it can still silently charge the battery even if you have not selected E-Save charge. I have driven 300 miles on the highway just to get on secondary roads for the last 200 miles on the same trip and when I hit the throttle to pass all the power is still there, every time ? .

I think the 4xe definitely works for some better than others depending upon their driving situations. I definitively wanted a Wrangler with the expectation of having more time in retirement to get off road and enjoy the capabilities of a Jeep. I also knew full well that in reality it still would be <10% of the total miles I would be driving the vehicle so I didn't want to live day in day out with 15mpg of the V8 but still wanted power when I needed it. Also didn't want the restrictions of a full electric vehicle although there really was nothing out there with Jeep capability in a full electric anyway. Having a level 2 charger at home makes a big difference. With 25% of my mileage being trips under 5 miles and 50% of my mileage being trips under 25 miles I can use a lot of electric. Making sure you don't finish those 25 mile trips with a couple miles of ICE is key to avoiding FORM though particularly in winter. I will also have to add that although I do not condone these programs getting a $7500 rebate and getting good discounts on the charger from local electric company did influence my decision. In the end the equation just works out for me as it was and is.

30k miles and only in once for a problem that was not a software update (the coolant pump one).

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