UPDATE:Shutdown-JT Order-Strike

[Onyx Dragon]

Your first example I’m not sure what it is about, unless it’s suppose to reference dues. I’ve worked a few different unions when I was late teens early twenties before getting into the plant, but not one have I ever been forced to pay anything outside my dues
Second example is either a spineless steward or chairs and is need of an overhaul.

And like I said before, this early is not uncommon to start talks to see where each side sits, and if the union is coming back saying hey it doesn’t look good prepare for the worst this early it simply means they have the feeling the company is digging their heels in and not wanting to move forward with market conditions
Also this is a Jeep forum, who you kidding we have money saved up hahahahaha we all broke

First reference: It was literally a "lottery" drawing. I can't remember what plant it was in. GM plant somewhere in Indiana. Anyway, funny thing is, he said the only people that every seemed to win were middle management and higher union people. You'd figure the floor workers would win more often just based off of sheer numbers alone.

I've got some money saved up. Started a new, good job about 6 months ago. 20%-25% pay increase. I was way too loyal to a company that wasn't loyal to it's employees for way too long. Next to last review I told my boss I needed a pay increase, that they were hiring new people with far less experience and knowledge for a lot more than what I was making. HR came back with "If he's unhappy with his compensation, he's free to look elsewhere"...so I did.

Anyway, so I've got a little saved up now. Got this Jeep. Thought "I'm good, I don't need to do anything to it." I have owned enough Jeeps that I should have known THAT was a lie...

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[SonicPearl]

This thread has become a shit show and should be closed.

JLEngineLine was cool enough to give us information, instead of giving thanks, members ruin it with bitching about unions.

Newsflash, nobody cares about your opinions. STFU and keep the talk jeep related...

And now people are shocked JLEngineLine is a union member.

 

[stil2low]

First reference: It was literally a "lottery" drawing. I can't remember what plant it was in. GM plant somewhere in Indiana. Anyway, funny thing is, he said the only people that every seemed to win were middle management and higher union people. You'd figure the floor workers would win more often just based off of sheer numbers alone.

I've got some money saved up. Started a new, good job about 6 months ago. 20%-25% pay increase. I was way too loyal to a company that wasn't loyal to it's employees for way too long. Next to last review I told my boss I needed a pay increase, that they were hiring new people with far less experience and knowledge for a lot more than what I was making. HR came back with "If he's unhappy with his compensation, he's free to look elsewhere"...so I did.

Anyway, so I've got a little saved up now. Got this Jeep. Thought "I'm good, I don't need to do anything to it." I have owned enough Jeeps that I should have known THAT was a lie...

Ahh ic, we used to have a lottery here, wasn’t mandatory tho. It was spread across a few unions, ours the nurses union and another one I can’t remember now. Had some excellent pay outs, good friend won a couple grand
Ouff that’s harsh, good to hear you found something with a wage increase you were after. The new owners that bought us came in with a great contract, only 2% wage increase over the 3 years but upped our boot allowance (that was a big one of us on the batteries, only get able a year out of boot till they’re melted to much), prescription glasses allowance, and a few other side perks. Whole lot different from the concessions the previous owners were asking for only a few months before lol

 

[bkjolly]

The shutdown to retool for the hybrid engine has been moved up. We will now be shutdown April 18th to May 13th. (Subject to change)
We are working 7 days a week until then.

The Government order for just over 7k JT's has been verified. These 7k units must be built before any can be sold to public consumers. JT is going to go on a critical launch mandatory 7 days a week for up to 3 months if needed to complete orders. No announcement on when the launch will start. Rumor is 2-3 weeks.

Some of you know that this is the last year of our contract. If you have heard anything that happened during the last contract then you know there was a lot of corruption with both FCA and UAW. Some people have went to prison and some are still being investigated. There is a lot more to it but to much to explain. UAW has increased the strike fund and we all have been told to put some extra money away because it's very likely that we will be striking. Negotiations don't start until end of summer.

I personally hope that we don't strike but we are not going to let FCA continue taking things away from us.

Just a personal opinion but strikes seem counter productive and it would give the company more incentive to move the plant out of the country.

 

[Chief_Dan]

Well, I appreciate the info. I'm just curious if this will push the ending date for ordering a 2019 up a little or not. But, since no one really knows when that date may be, I guess everything is up in the air.

I sure hope you don't have to strike. Where I work, you can't do that anymore. Public safety is the main priority, as it should be for Police & Fire. But, knowing lots of firefighters & police officers that haven't had a pay raise in up to 11 years, have had medical benefits stripped from them when they were retired & needed their medical benefits the most, some even had cancer & other illnesses caused by the job & then bam, no more medical insurance. The unions try to help, but cities & towns & corporations just shut down, like Detriot did, leaving those that sacrificed daily, by working birthdays, holidays, anniversaries, graduations, missing their children's first steps, first words, first day at school, first dates, first games, last games, weddings, & other family & friends events, for 25 to 40 years, get screwed, just doesn't sit well.

Oh well, off my soap box. It's just my 2 cents, & that's about all it is worth. Back to more JEEP WRANGLER JL TALK...
That's what I want to hear.

So, anyone have any idea when will the last day be to order a 2019?

Or will we still be able to order a 2020 with the regular 3.6L & not have to get one with BSG?

 

[spurly]

So, anyone have any idea when will the last day be to order a 2019?

Or will we still be able to order a 2020 with the regular 3.6L & not have to get one with BSG?

I was curious about the same thing because I do not want the BSG. But someone in another thread said they believe the base 3.6 would be available at least through 2020. I didn't want to take the chance so I went ahead and ordered earlier this month. With the 2020 MY production starting in June or July I had to move up my timeline.

 

[subiescott77]

One could say that about this entire thread. It started off as information and was injected with politics from the time the word Union was introduced. Union strikes affect the bottom line and customers really don’t care, they just want their product.

Your comment couldn't be any more self centered. I don't like this and that. Just give me my product. Ok, no problem. So when the Fiat reduces things to the absolute bare minimum and cuts corners to no end in divisions like QA/QC....oh you'll get your product....but you'll be whining like a little b***h. You're clearly anti-union and that's you....you interjected politics into this. OP stated he didn't want to strike and was transparent in the fact that issues were on both ends of the table. If you haven't grown up in a union, you're clueless to the benefits.

 

[digitalbliss]

Your comment couldn't be any more self centered. I don't like this and that. Just give me my product. Ok, no problem. So when the Fiat reduces things to the absolute bare minimum and cuts corners to no end in divisions like QA/QC....oh you'll get your product....but you'll be whining like a little b***h. You're clearly anti-union and that's you....you interjected politics into this. OP stated he didn't want to strike and was transparent in the fact that issues were on both ends of the table. If you haven't grown up in a union, you're clueless to the benefits.

take a breath here... I dont think @am1978 was saying that HE doesnt care but that the general consumer doesnt care. I didnt read his comments as being a reflection of his thoughts but rather, an interpretation of what he believes the general public thinks.

 

[viper88]

That's what I figured. I wish they would at least release pricing so I know whether I want one or not. I think a Gobi Gladiator would look great.

Did you make it to the Chicago auto show? They had a Gobi Gladiator Rubicon on the floor.

 

[Carlton]

Did you make it to the Chicago auto show? They had a Gobi Gladiator Rubicon on the floor.

I didn't make it this year. I did see a video of one and it looked pretty cool.

 

[am1978]

Your comment couldn't be any more self centered. I don't like this and that. Just give me my product. Ok, no problem. So when the Fiat reduces things to the absolute bare minimum and cuts corners to no end in divisions like QA/QC....oh you'll get your product....but you'll be whining like a little b***h. You're clearly anti-union and that's you....you interjected politics into this. OP stated he didn't want to strike and was transparent in the fact that issues were on both ends of the table. If you haven't grown up in a union, you're clueless to the benefits.

Really? Too much emotion here. And here we are on page 6.

 

[spurly]

Soooooo........



How about them 7,000 Gladiators that some mysterious government organization ordered?? Right? I know, crazy huh?

 

[UKCATS]

Soooooo........



How about them 7,000 Gladiators that some mysterious government organization ordered?? Right? I know, crazy huh?

Love your avatar.

 

[pablo_max3045]

I would say the labor dynamics at play in US manufacturing is a key reason we see so many QC issues with Jeeps. Not to say they are bad, just QC issues. Like bolts not tightened, welds not checked, connectors not snapped shut all the way and even fuses not plugged in all the way.
It's the whole "us vs them" thing. Management vs the workers. It's a constant war.
Management, narrowmindedly focused on the next quarter's profits and so cutting all the corners they can for both the labor side of things and the engineering / parts side of things.
Even trying to additional revenue streams. You know those little Easter eggs y'all love so much? You think that is because Jeeps is letting the engineers have some fun? Of course not. It's because those little Jeeps are trademarked. Which means they can only be made by a third party if they are licenced.
You want the little Jeeps, so you buy OEM which just happens to cost more and adds another stream of revenue.
Meanwhile the workers are super pissed off and fighting back how they can. At the end of the day, when you combine this war mentality, angry workers and cutting corners, this is not the recipe for high quality.
I know there are a lot of anti-union folks out there, but it may pay to brush up on your history in that case. Not having unions is how you get things like "the company store" and being paid in company store credit.
A quarterly profit focused company will try and f&ck who ever they think they can get away if it means bumping those numbers.

 

[Lou3.6]

I would say the labor dynamics at play in US manufacturing is a key reason we see so many QC issues with Jeeps. Not to say they are bad, just QC issues. Like bolts not tightened, welds not checked, connectors not snapped shut all the way and even fuses not plugged in all the way.
It's the whole "us vs them" thing. Management vs the workers. It's a constant war.
Management, narrowmindedly focused on the next quarter's profits and so cutting all the corners they can for both the labor side of things and the engineering / parts side of things.
Even trying to additional revenue streams. You know those little Easter eggs y'all love so much? You think that is because Jeeps is letting the engineers have some fun? Of course not. It's because those little Jeeps are trademarked. Which means they can only be made by a third party if they are licenced.
You want the little Jeeps, so you buy OEM which just happens to cost more and adds another stream of revenue.
Meanwhile the workers are super pissed off and fighting back how they can. At the end of the day, when you combine this war mentality, angry workers and cutting corners, this is not the recipe for high quality.
I know there are a lot of anti-union folks out there, but it may pay to brush up on your history in that case. Not having unions is how you get things like "the company store" and being paid in company store credit.
A quarterly profit focused company will try and f&ck who ever they think they can get away if it means bumping those numbers.

Hello Germany - Interesting read. 1st sentence, true enough . . . but "Labor Dynamics" applies to ALL aspects of Worldwide Corporate Behavior! Yes? Absolutely. Greed knows NO boundaries. Not a"Jeep thing". The next few sentences, sighting Q.C. examples, without 1st hand knowledge, basing them on readily available "news/opinion" stories SHOULD be "beneath us all. Enough "FAKE NEWS" going around as it is - if you catch my drift ( and I think you do). Ah Capitalism, it's such a wonderful thing . . . until it isn't ! Personally, I prefer "Social-Capitalism," not just a play on words.
Easter eggs? Really? We American Consumers don't give a "Rats Ass" (care less) about that shit (how do you say shit is German? - I took a year of it (the language) in 11th grade but don't recall. Maximum Corporate Fodder! The popular Euro-Jeep Renegade (ours too) is OVERKILL with it. Of that I'm sure we can agree?
Your, "Meanwhile the workers . . . not a recipe for high quality." -- ? -- these type of 1st person comments from someone who can not speak truthfully from that perspective, well it frankly is insulting! As for the next few lines . . . more 1st person speculating. Question is WHY? ANY Company/Corporation - you left out 'PUBLICLY TRADED' (which are the ones "concerned" about quarterly profits here) primary "mission" in life, is to make the majority of their "important" Share Holders Profitable. Thus further Investment Capitol. Reaffirming the adage - 'The Rich get Richer and the Poor get Poorer'! Now to be far, I'm not a capitalist, socialist or economist . . . but I've "lived" and "experienced" money-matters for awhile, including in a Union or two before my Navy Career, and I'm "higher educated". I try never to speak "truths" that I don't know are truly true, without prefacing of my ignorance on the matter. Let me say this; I am not scolding you, I'm wanting to enlighten you from OUR (American) perspective.
One thing I CAN agree with is the "war mentality" aspect . . . that is America. It does seem to be Engrained in our souls for so long! Well, since before we became a nation! I can't recall a 20-25 year stretch where we were not in some "conflict" in the world - "Congressionally Declared" or "Presidentially Usurped" !
Well Pablo . . . seems we got way off topic . . . to which I apologize profusely to my fellow Jeepers ! But your "outsider" comments struck some cord in me to "need to" reply. Hope all is well in Deutsch-Land for you & yours.
Full Circle -- GO UNIONS !

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