UPDATE:Shutdown-JT Order-Strike

[Carlton]

Carlton.... Idk if anything they will push back the apr 1st date (the trucks we start building for the public) to build the governments order

That's what I figured. I wish they would at least release pricing so I know whether I want one or not. I think a Gobi Gladiator would look great.

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[W1ck3d]

Probably 40k for a plain jane sport and maybe 70-80k for a fully loaded rubi.... Might be more like 60-80k because they are going to be hard to get they aren't building many of them

 

[stil2low]

So I’ll start by saying I used to be on the other side of the fence (non-managerial) (still wasn’t a part of a union even then) but you made the comment “or ask for recessions when not needed”.

That being said, and I’m just trying to understand you here, how do you specifically know what is or is not needed for your company?

Steel industry is pretty open to see how the demand it, price per ton, cost of manufacturing and raw materials. Everything was even more transparent while we were in CCAA to see how the company was doing
Hard to justify asking for concessions when we are making good money. Haven’t seen profit sharing cheque’s like that since 08 right before the economy took a dump

 

[offcamber]

Commie unions are the reason American cars suck.

 

[am1978]

No one wants to ever strike, but sometimes it’s needed when to company is trying to impose a poor contract or ask for recessions when not needed
While we were under bankruptcy protection, the company tried forcing a contract. The contract purposed a 10% pay cut, no longer support our retirees that are in need of expensive prescriptions and have gone over their lifetime max (steel industry has a lot of illnesses involved) just as an example of some of the things they tried taking away. We responded back with a 98% strike vote, it sent the message we weren’t going to stand for that

It sounds like the Union is the problem here. If you didn’t have a union, the company and employees would both be competitive; the company being competitive in the work environment and benefits to draw the best talent; talented employees being competitive by having more opportunities with other companies. The “big three” have hurt the American auto industry. It doesn’t matter that foreign companies came in and bought portions of those companies. It’s the unions who have hurt the employees here, like a form of subgovernment, taxing you to maintain their hold as the middle man in control. Pensions are a relic of the past and unions would have been smart to migrate new employees coming on in the 1980s/1990s to a matching 401k or 401k/annuity hybrid retirement plan with the ability to stay in the company’s healthcare plans. How are Toyota and Nissan doing it? Non-Union companies, for instance in the tech sector, have very nice employment benefits and I can’t think of many who are unionized and for good reason. Not trying to take issue with you personally and sorry about the disruptions in your work life.

 

[Andy2434]

I don’t begrudge any hard working person making a good living. Having noted that, I hope this thread does not turn into a preaching platform. There’s a place for that and it’s certainly not here.

 

[DesmoDog]

Commie unions are the reason American cars suck.

 

[cram501]

Edited: I reacted to harshly.

Unless you know the situation at the plant, the anti-union talk is just ignorant. Please take take it to a political forum.

 

[spurly]

I'm just curious to find out what some government is going to do with 7,000 JT's. Baywatch vehicles? Park services? Fish and Game? But like other said, most departments order their own vehicles so I'm really curious. Was it even the US govt?

 

[Jeepers!]

Probably 40k for a plain jane sport and maybe 70-80k for a fully loaded rubi.... Might be more like 60-80k because they are going to be hard to get they aren't building many of them

Why would it be so much more than the JL?

 

[TJEli]

No one wants to ever strike, but sometimes it’s needed when to company is trying to impose a poor contract or ask for recessions when not needed
While we were under bankruptcy protection, the company tried forcing a contract. The contract purposed a 10% pay cut, no longer support our retirees that are in need of expensive prescriptions and have gone over their lifetime max (steel industry has a lot of illnesses involved) just as an example of some of the things they tried taking away. We responded back with a 98% strike vote, it sent the message we weren’t going to stand for that

Where was the money going to come from to fund these things? You were in bankruptcy protection for a reason. In my mind a 10% pay cut is better than losing you job.

-Eli

 

[okie dokie]

I'm just curious to find out what some government is going to do with 7,000 JT's. Baywatch vehicles? Park services? Fish and Game? But like other said, most departments order their own vehicles so I'm really curious. Was it even the US

I'm just curious to find out what some government is going to do with 7,000 JT's. Baywatch vehicles? Park services? Fish and Game? But like other said, most departments order their own vehicles so I'm really curious. Was it even the US govt?

Exactly the questions I have.
Which Gov entity exactly is purchasing 7000 JTs??

 

[am1978]

Edited: I reacted to harshly.

Unless you know the situation at the plant, the anti-union talk is just ignorant. Please take take it to a political forum.

One could say that about this entire thread. It started off as information and was injected with politics from the time the word Union was introduced. Union strikes affect the bottom line and customers really don’t care, they just want their product.

 

[stil2low]

It sounds like the Union is the problem here. If you didn’t have a union, the company and employees would both be competitive; the company being competitive in the work environment and benefits to draw the best talent; talented employees being competitive by having more opportunities with other companies. The “big three” have hurt the American auto industry. It doesn’t matter that foreign companies came in and bought portions of those companies. It’s the unions who have hurt the employees here, like a form of subgovernment, taxing you to maintain their hold as the middle man in control. Pensions are a relic of the past and unions would have been smart to migrate new employees coming on in the 1980s/1990s to a matching 401k or 401k/annuity hybrid retirement plan with the ability to stay in the company’s healthcare plans. How are Toyota and Nissan doing it? Non-Union companies, for instance in the tech sector, have very nice employment benefits and I can’t think of many who are unionized and for good reason. Not trying to take issue with you personally and sorry about the disruptions in your work life.

While not trying to derail the thread too much from the original post I’ll keep it kinda simple
Being non union can draw the best talent but at the same time distory a talented worker. You could be one of they’re most talent, but joe blow is buddy buddy with the bosses moves up way above you even tho he does half the work you do and there is nothing you can do but suck it up
Quick example of a recent arbitration my dad had to attend. Bell Canada segregated north and south in Ontario (can’t remember the reasoning behind it at the moment) but they recently became one again. Well north and south had different probation times when you first started working for them, 6 months here and is 9 months down there. When they became one, 9 months probation became the standard and one of the employees was 1 week away from his 6 months. Instead of just making him wait another 3 months which would of been fine they restarted his clock to zero. Union stepped in and got his 6 months time back so only had to work the additional 3 to become full time

I’m still on the old pension held by the company simple because I receive a .2 credit for every year worked in my department. So in 25 years I’ll have 30 years service. This is set in place because of the environment I work in, they let your retire early to enjoy a bit of life before illness sets in
New pensions are no longer held in the company but more like how you stated with a retirement plan you pay into yourself

 

[stil2low]

Where was the money going to come from to fund these things? You were in bankruptcy protection for a reason. In my mind a 10% pay cut is better than losing you job.

-Eli

We went into protection because the previous owners were extremely shady. They stopped paying taxes to the city, contractors and other vendors they dealt with. Took the money and ran in a sense. Claim bankruptcy so when the courts step in they only had to pay a portion of amount owed and sold the company.
When they asked for the recessions, we had no problems taking the 10%, we have given up lots over the years to help the company. It was the other concessions they asked for that we fought against, like not taking care of our sick retirees for example. Our elders paved the road to where we are now, we’re not giving up on them because the company wants to look better to the new buyers coming in and make few more bucks before they completely sold us off

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