To wait or not to wait?

[OldGuyNewJeep]

They'll probably just get rid of the manual transmission entirely. It's a poor seller and no longer gets better gas mileage than the autos so it's days are limited if it requires a different powertrain. ​

Nope. They didn’t spend a shit-ton of $$ on R&D for the new 6sp just to discontinue it. It’s going to stay around as long as the JL does (10yrs?)

There are other threads that say manual is indeed getting BSG, which is one of the reasons I bought a 2018. I don’t want “mild hybrid” in my 6sp Jeep any more than I want ESS, which is not at all. (Can’t wait for my Tazer to arrive!)

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[OldGuyNewJeep]

Ugh. I just noticed that it’s @old8tora posting, here. Ignore him, guys. He’s a troll. Look at his content in other threads.

 

[Mordin Solus]

Ugh. I just noticed that it’s @old8tora posting, here. Ignore him, guys. He’s a troll. Look at his content in other threads.

Pretty much.

 

[Yankee1019]

Any thoughts on how the eTorque will apply to the manual transmission? Is it an auto transmission feature only? Maybe manuals get the current stop start?

My gut thinks that the eTorque system isn’t going to care what transmission the engine is connected to but you should take that with a giant grain of salt. The eTorque v6 has been in the new Ram since it launched a couple months ago but the new ram isn’t available with a manual anymore. So I guess that also makes what @Majestic was suggesting a possibility though I think the manual is much more popular in the Wrangler than any other SUV.

 

[BlackRook]

Oooh, @old8tora, do me, do me! You're a troll, now say something snarky about me!

High end trolling like this is a real art form, folks. Gotta respect it.

 

[Majestic]

Nope. They didn’t spend a shit-ton of $$ on R&D for the new 6sp just to discontinue it. It’s going to stay around as long as the JL does (10yrs?)

There are other threads that say manual is indeed getting BSG, which is one of the reasons I bought a 2018. I don’t want “mild hybrid” in my 6sp Jeep any more than I want ESS, which is not at all. (Can’t wait for my Tazer to arrive!)

They didn’t really spend a lot on R&D, as it’s just an off the shelf transmission. It will however possibly cost more to engineer a manual to work with BSG shenanigans which may not be worth it depending on manual sales. Manual Jeeps are actually fairly rare. Aside from just fun factor, there’s really no more advantage aside from the customer saving $2000. It’s entirely possible to drop it so they can maximize their fuel economy averages and simplify production and drivetrain.

 

[MikeJenkins]

Sorry man but this is the biggest pile of crap post I have read yet. The JLUR was the same price as the outgoing JKUR recon edition that was sitting next to my JLUR. Same damn price. And as much as I loved my JKR and as awesome as they still are, this JL is light years ahead in every aspect of the Jeep game, so please spare me your crap because you choose to stay in a JK. There is no price gouging unless you’re just an idiot that doesn’t know how to negotiate.

Toyota replacement. That’s funny. That’s not even a comparison. Not even close. Hell the new Jeep Cherokee is probably more off road worthy than any new Toyota.

Exactly this ^ Well said my friend!

 

[ThirtyOne]

They didn’t really spend a lot on R&D, as it’s just an off the shelf transmission. It will however possibly cost more to engineer a manual to work with BSG shenanigans which may not be worth it depending on manual sales. Manual Jeeps are actually fairly rare. Aside from just fun factor, there’s really no more advantage aside from the customer saving $2000. It’s entirely possible to drop it so they can maximize their fuel economy averages and simplify production and drivetrain.

Umm you just said there’s no advantage except it’s more fun and $2,000 cheaper. Like those aren’t good enough reasons?

I am speaking from a customer standpoint. I understand from a business standpoint manual take rate is shrinking.

I think it is still in the 15% range and higher In Europe for the wrangler which is high compared to other vehicles overall take rate in US is down around 5% if i remember correctly.

This may be the last generation with a manual but i think they will keep the manual for the full JL run.

 

[OnlyOne]

Oooh, @old8tora, do me, do me! You're a troll, now say something snarky about me!

High end trolling like this is a real art form, folks. Gotta respect it.

I also see the little coward deleted his post.

 

[Majestic]

Umm you just said there’s no advantage except it’s more fun and $2,000 cheaper. Like those aren’t good enough reasons?

I am speaking from a customer standpoint. I understand from a business standpoint manual take rate is shrinking.

I think it is still in the 15% range and higher In Europe for the wrangler which is high compared to other vehicles overall take rate in US is down around 5% if i remember correctly.

This may be the last generation with a manual but i think they will keep the manual for the full JL run.

Those might be incentives for you to buy them, but those aren’t incentives for FCA to make them.
The autos have more margin built into them, FCA doesn’t have a problem moving their product even at full production capacity, and if sales are low enough for any particular option, the cost of that option goes up from the supplier because there isn’t as much volume to keep up with overhead and make a profit. It would also simplify Jeep’s drivetrain lineup which would make it easier to produce.
If all engines become eTorque, and a manual isn’t available for Jeep’s current 2.0L eTorque engine, it’s not much more of a stretch to assume the manual won’t be compatible with the V6 version.
I don’t want to see the end of the manual, but the writing is on the wall unfortunately. It’s doubtful it’ll last the entire production run. At this point I’m hoping the V6 will even survive.

 

[ThirtyOne]

Those might be incentives for you to buy them, but those aren’t incentives for FCA to make them.
The autos have more margin built into them, FCA doesn’t have a problem moving their product even at full production capacity, and if sales are low enough for any particular option, the cost of that option goes up from the supplier because there isn’t as much volume to keep up with overhead and make a profit. It would also simplify Jeep’s drivetrain lineup which would make it easier to produce.
If all engines become eTorque, and a manual isn’t available for Jeep’s current 2.0L eTorque engine, it’s not much more of a stretch to assume the manual won’t be compatible with the V6 version.
I don’t want to see the end of the manual, but the writing is on the wall unfortunately. It’s doubtful it’ll last the entire production run. At this point I’m hoping the V6 will even survive.

Maybe. 15% is still a lot of damn Wranglers and it allows them to have a lower base price or charge more for the automatic depending on how you look at it.

Manual sales may drop but if they are in the 20,000-30,000 range that is enough to justify it I would think. I doubt diesel sales will be higher than that. hell i doubt JT salea will be higher than that.

 

[Majestic]

Maybe. 15% is still a lot of damn Wranglers and it allows them to have a lower base price or charge more for the automatic depending on how you look at it.

Manual sales may drop but if they are in the 20,000-30,000 range that is enough to justify it I would think. I doubt diesel sales will be higher than that. hell i doubt JT salea will be higher than that.

In all likelihood that 15% would probably buy a Jeep anyway even without the manual as an option. Offering less low cost options allows them to sell more expensive Wranglers. That's why you can't get one without AC anymore. This is pretty much how it's gone down in any other truck or SUV.

Look at this way, FCA raises the price of the JL and sales actually went up. The price of the Wrangler apparently isn't a deterrent so there's not much incentive for a lower base price.

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just relaying the trends that have been going on in the automotive world. The manual may be around just this year, or maybe a couple more years, but there's no reason to suspect it will be around for the entire production run. The JK changed powertrains in the middle of it's production run, so there's no reason to suspect FCA is committed to using the same drivetrain for exactly one more generation.

Then again, I though the folding windshield would be dead by now, so who knows.

 

[ThirtyOne]

In all likelihood that 15% would probably buy a Jeep anyway even without the manual as an option. Offering less low cost options allows them to sell more expensive Wranglers. That's why you can't get one without AC anymore. This is pretty much how it's gone down in any other truck or SUV.

Look at this way, FCA raises the price of the JL and sales actually went up. The price of the Wrangler apparently isn't a deterrent so there's not much incentive for a lower base price.

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just relaying the trends that have been going on in the automotive world. The manual may be around just this year, or maybe a couple more years, but there's no reason to suspect it will be around for the entire production run. The JK changed powertrains in the middle of it's production run, so there's no reason to suspect FCA is committed to using the same drivetrain for exactly one more generation.

Then again, I though the folding windshield would be dead by now, so who knows.

The folding windshield is still around because Jeep understands that there are certain DNA elements that need to be present to sustain the authenticity of the whole brand. Jeep buyers need there to be a 2-door soft top wrangler with a manual and steel wheels even if they are buying a Compass.

 

[OldGuyNewJeep]

They didn’t really spend a lot on R&D, as it’s just an off the shelf transmission. It will however possibly cost more to engineer a manual to work with BSG shenanigans which may not be worth it depending on manual sales. Manual Jeeps are actually fairly rare. Aside from just fun factor, there’s really no more advantage aside from the customer saving $2000. It’s entirely possible to drop it so they can maximize their fuel economy averages and simplify production and drivetrain.

Even an “off the shelf” solution is plenty expensive. Imagine the man hours involved in fitting a new tranny, cable shift linkage, fit and finish (cool and functional shifter, etc.), testing, tuning, adding software for ESS integration, etc.

No, the manual will stay an option for the life of the JL. I hope you’re wrong that it’ll go away with the next generation, too (I mean, they kept the folding windshield, which is useless on a good day).

$2k and fun factor are nothing to sneeze at... I would not have gotten a Wrangler if it had no manual option. That was on top of my “must have” list when I started looking for a new toy.

Can you tell that I like my manual? LOL

 

[OldGuyNewJeep]

The folding windshield is still around because Jeep understands that there are certain DNA elements that need to be present to sustain the authenticity of the whole brand. Jeep buyers need there to be a 2-door soft top wrangler with a manual and steel wheels even if they are buying a Compass.

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