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  1. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    They probably had to respond to the tax credit getting cut in half.
  2. Possible 2D trade in for 4xe, opinions?

    How do you get to charge the battery for only $1? Your electricity is less than $.07 a kWh? The battery is still considered "dead weight" because the 2.0L straight gas Wranglers have better mpg than the PHEV in hybrid mode and only half a second less 0-60 times despite 100 less hp. You may not...
  3. Possible 2D trade in for 4xe, opinions?

    Way back when I bought my first Jeep, I found that used wasn't much cheaper than new. And a used Jeep can have a pretty rough life. To me the only thing that justifies the crazy Jeep price premium is the resell value. Like you I'm not excited about the Sahara look so I always steer toward...
  4. Octane for 2.4L turbo in 4xe?

    It also says in the manual that 91 is most noticeable in hot weather or towing, otherwise you're just wasting money for nothing. In a 4xe the acceleration is mostly coming from the electric drive. As for the "afford it" comment, I can afford to start a fire using $20 bills as kindling but...
  5. Octane for 2.4L turbo in 4xe?

    It's not a federal requirement. I have a 2021 car that "runs fine" on 91 but prefers 93. 87 is prohibited and voids your warranty. I think there's a misconception that all turbos need premium, but that's outdated,
  6. Octane for 2.4L turbo in 4xe?

    Doing some quick math, at 12k miles per year, and a $.50 price difference between premium and regular, premium with a 2 mpg difference cost an additional $150 a year.
  7. Octane for 2.4L turbo in 4xe?

    What's the actual mpg difference?
  8. Octane for 2.4L turbo in 4xe?

    If it's designed for 87 octane 93 won't add any benefit. It won't hurt once in awhile but it'll just cost more for nothing.
  9. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    If anything it's the other way around. OEM is a higher volume customer than the guy ordering from a catalog. They can get the same components at a huge discount.
  10. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    There's merits (and extra cost) to OEM installed parts (such as ensuring they meet crash ratings, mpg's, reliability, warranty, etc) however the Jeep Wrangler is one of the most overpriced vehicles on the market with one of the highest destination charges so I can easily see why the winch is $2k.
  11. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    The bump things on the side of the winch are the crush cans that enable the factory airbags to work right if my previous research is correct. I agree I like the black top and fenders better, but after seeing aftermarket bumpers age terribly, and seeing how well the Mopar stuff holds up, I'm ok...
  12. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    I'm in the same boat. I love the steel bumper group like I have on my current Jeep, but $3500 is steep and I'll never use the winch. I'm not a fan of painted top and fenders but the way Rubicon X is priced it doesn't make sense to get a standard Rubicon. Does anyone know why a V6 with...
  13. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    I'm showing 201 new 2022 Broncos in the whole country. Perhaps Jeep's prices need to settle down a bit.
  14. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    There's still 2022 inventory on dealer lots months into 2023? Even in normal times it was hard for me to find a Jeep on a lot somewhere too late in the model year much less after the new year started.
  15. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    We don't even have pricing yet. I doubt Jeep even knows how they want to package it. I'd say it's too early to complain just yet,
  16. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    I don't see that anywhere. It looks like the regular Rubicon is business as usual with the exception of the 12" screen and standard ACC, but otherwise Rubicon X is the "check all the boxes" package.
  17. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    Can't you just a regular Rubicon and add everything a la cart like 2023?
  18. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    There seems to be an EV penalty on insurance. Jeep is already one of the more expensive to insure gas vehicles, but insurance quotes I've gotten for EV cars blew away any perceived fuel savings or "maintenance savings". Then there is depreciation which is a whole other story.
  19. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    I remember when they had just come out with illuminated cup holders on the JK and people flipped out because it "was turning into a Cadillac"
  20. 2024 Jeep Order Guide / Model Summary (With Updated Wrangler Facelift Model)

    Really? Your concern was Gorilla glass, a tow receiver, and adaptive cruise (which if broken acts like your Jeep does from the factory). Really dodged a bullet there.


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