Thoughts on Advanced Safety Group

[Strommen95]

This isn't a fair answer, as I don't have it. But after 3 years, I'm still glad as hell I didn't order it. Especially in the Northeast with all the tight lanes, traffic and aggressive drivers we have. The system would go nuts here.

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[BrierPatch]

I think alot of this comes down to what kind of driver you are and where. I am very relaxed in my jeeps, that's one of the reasons for owning them for me. I'm not in a hurry and usually am site seeing/smelling the roses. I appreciate having the backup of the collision avoidance and the ACC is nice when following someone who doesn't use cruise control from Arizona to California and is constantly changing speeds .

The thing is, the technology isn't perfect, but neither am I. I just hope between the two us, I avoid as many accidents as possible and stay with the flow of traffic.

We replaced our 02 TJ with the JLU to take on longer road trips, so it was pretty much a no brainer for us.

 

[TX_Ovrlnd]

Isn't that EXACTLY how it's supposed to work? That's the "adaptive" part. Otherwise it would just be plain old cruise control.

Yes-ish. Adaptive cruise maintains whatever distance is set until the object in front moves out of the way, then speeds back up to whatever the initial speed was set to. It can be overridden by pressing the gas pedal, but it will go back to the distance it was set to. It will play the accordian game if the idiot in front is varying their speed, that does get annoying.

 

[aldo98229]

Yes-ish. Adaptive cruise maintains whatever distance is set until the object in front moves out of the way, then speeds back up to whatever the initial speed was set to. It can be overridden by pressing the gas pedal, but it will go back to the distance it was set to. It will play the accordian game if the idiot in front is varying their speed, that does get annoying.

That’s my main beef with ACC: it adjusts your driving to the lowest level of idiocy around you at any given time.

 

[W4V3]

I had the same setup in my Outback and I hated it!!! The alerts were constantly going off telling me that I needed to keep my eyes on the road, lane change alerts, pre-emptive braking when going around curvy roads, etc. I did like the adaptive cruise control, but it had its quirks too. And if I put my bike rack on, the system thought there was something behind my car and would lock up the brakes. I had to disable the rear collision avoidance system just to drive with a bike rack installed. Oh, if it was raining, the forward cameras got confused and would just shut off the system, and that was the time you needed it the most.

When I saw the option on the Jeep, I said nope, not this time.

 

[Dgr401]

Some day you will probably not have the choice whether or not you get it in your vehicle. Probably won’t have the choice whether you use it or not either. I don’t have it in my Sport S but not opposed to it. I have driven my sister-in-law’s Infinity and found it to be pretty good. I would definitely want the option to turn it off though.

 

[Heimkehr]

Perhaps the one thing Adaptive Cruise Control does best is illustrate how poorly some drivers maintain their speed. The accordion effect, a byproduct of a properly functioning ACC, gives the illusion that they're driving your car, too. Nein, danke!

Some day you will probably not have the choice whether or not you get it in your vehicle. Probably won’t have the choice whether you use it or not either.

Yep. The matter of feature creep has already begun to occur. E.g., the Honda safety suite is now standard on all trim levels of the Honda that my wife owns. When she purchased her vehicle, only the upmarket trims included the suite. Now the buyers of the entry-level trim are compelled to pay for it, which removes choice from the equation by other means.

The nanny functions can be turned off, but like our beloved ESS, there's no memory function in the switchgear. They all default/reset to On after the car is restarted. I agree that there will eventually be a time when the e-nannies are compulsory fitments, with no Off switches.

 

[BrierPatch]

rickinAZ said:
Isn't that EXACTLY how it's supposed to work? That's the "adaptive" part. Otherwise it would just be plain old cruise control.

...And? The title of the topic is "Thoughts on Advanced Safety Group", so I offered them. Until it can effectively match other vehicles speeds, I'm not interested.

Ratbert said:
Without ACC you'd either do something similar or go around them. Same with or without as far as I can tell.

If I'm in the left, I'm passing traffic going at least 5mph under my speed, so going around isn't really an option. I'm going to match their speed until they take the hint and get back over, not waffle back and forth like ACC tends to.


The ACC in both my jeeps don't do this. They perfectly pace the car in front of me at whichever following distance I set.

Evidently the issue here is Subaru has done a bad job. I would recommend if you can find a jeep on the lot, go take one and test it for yourself to get a better idea of how jeeps works. Evidently I would not use a Subaru as a comparison.

 

[W4V3]

Isn't that EXACTLY how it's supposed to work? That's the "adaptive" part. Otherwise it would just be plain old cruise control.

And this is the problem. If I have cruise control on and someone goes from the left lane of me to the right lane of me, crossing in front of me, my Outback would slam on the brakes. Or, if I was crossing lanes with cruise control on, it would slam on the brakes as I pass behind someone. It was a PITA.

 

[rickinAZ]

...And? The title of the topic is "Thoughts on Advanced Safety Group", so I offered them. Until it can effectively match other vehicles speeds, I'm not interested.

Zach, that's where I'm confused. It does match the leading vehicle's speed as long as they are slowing you down or staying at exactly your speed. If they speed away, and exceed your pre-set speed level, your vehicle would let them go without you matching them. In other words, the only time the ACC doesn't match the leading vehicle is when they drive faster than your comfort zone.

My ACC is set at 65mph:

• they slow to 60. My ACC slows me to 60.
• they stay at 65. We are in lock sync.
• they speed up to 75. ACC let's them go on their way without me matching.

Are we saying the same thing, perhaps?

[to be honest, I don't use it much. I stay mostly on city streets.]

 

[jellis4148]

I love the ACC. I would say I use is 80-90% of the time I'm behind the wheel of the Jeep. You just have to understand how it functions and use it accordingly . It's not going to drive the Jeep for you. I used it from Missouri to Utah, and it made the drive so much nicer. When on a 4 lane if you start to run up on a car just change lanes, and it won't slow down. When coming into a town I would get behind a car so the Jeep would slow down to town speed limits. All I had to do was drive it. I find most people who don't like it either don't understand it or expect to much out of it. I hasn't made me a lazy driver, it has made me a safer driver. The ACC can actually hit the brakes faster than you can.

 

[JKWMD]

My issue with ACC is not what you're discussing, it's the inability, (at least on my 2021 Accord), to allow you any closer than 3 car lengths from the car in front of you. I know this is not an issue for some, but in rush hour driving, it's a problem. I understand the safety/liability side of things, I just don't use it in rush hour driving, and wanted others to be aware of this issue, (I do a ton of rush hour driving). The system works fine for me otherwise.

 

[JP29]

Zach, that's where I'm confused. It does match the leading vehicle's speed as long as they are slowing you down or staying at exactly your speed. If they speed away, and exceed your pre-set speed level, your vehicle would let them go without you matching them. In other words, the only time the ACC doesn't match the leading vehicle is when they drive faster than your comfort zone.

Are we saying the same thing, perhaps?

[to be honest, I don't use it much. I stay mostly on city streets.]

As others have said, it comes down more to the accordion effect and possibly it's worse on the Subie, but I've generally found when driving that it will drop below their speed, not match. And typically, the driver that felt the need to pull out ahead is not expedient, and in fact rather content to bog down the fast lane going all of one mph over. As a result, in this situation I'd rather give the driver ahead a gentle but consistent reminder by staying closer on their tale than ACC would.

 

[TX_Ovrlnd]

My issue with ACC is not what you're discussing, it's the inability, (at least on my 2021 Accord), to allow you any closer than 3 car lengths from the car in front of you. I know this is not an issue for some, but in rush hour driving, it's a problem. I understand the safety/liability side of things, I just don't use it in rush hour driving, and wanted others to be aware of this issue, (I do a ton of rush hour driving). The system works fine for me otherwise.

My toyota lease has 3 preset distances, I usually do the closer because of that gap you're talking about. I am pretty sure the wrangler ACC also has some distance presets and not just one. In rush hour traffic I don't use ACC, but the closest preset I have is less than 3 car lengths.

 

[old mike]

What's all this brouhaha about milk pasteurization and thoroughly cooking pork? I've lived a long time and I've always sucked milk right out of the cow! Eaten all my pork raw! Yeah, just total paleo style for me!

Ooops, gotta go. My intestines have been upset for weeks, painful stomach cramps, and I've got the runs; I've got these painful little lumps in my muscles too; and it has all got me so distracted that I just rear ended an ambulance.

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