This is why Jeeps always break

[roaniecowpony]

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ar-brands-make-the-best-vehicles-a6159221985/

The Jeep brand placed last/poorest according to this very recent publication. While CR has its faults, there is certainly some indication of truth to the rating.

I think my wife must have wrote that. She's the biggest critic of jeep quality and calls my Jeep a lemon all the time. But, I'm the lemonade maker. ?

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[1Evil55]

When Jeep quality took a back seat to overpaid Union workers who don't give a crap, and when making junk became the accepted norm. The posted video may be from 2012 but instead of smoking weed and drinking beer their probably doing meth and hard liquor today!

And that why J.D. Power ranks Jeep 28th in reliability. With 17 more problems per 100 vehicles Think about that!

Perhaps some would rather take it up the ass rather then to fight to fix it. Not me.
Remember the squeaky wheel gets fixed!

It's reefer madness

 

[pnut]

Most of the line is already robots and automation, compared to the days of old there are very few people on line making cars, comparatively. If they could replace them cost effectively, they would.

I develop on line tooling/fixtures/assembly stations, etc for the auto industry. When we develop this stuff we try to remove as much of the human factor as possible to produce repeatable accurate components/vehicles. Humans are tricky though and they will find every way to disable this stuff or work arounds if it annoys them. Sometimes you get a clever worker on the line that will modify it to "make it work better" without any sort of approval oversight. That's always great.

I disagree with you that "most of the line is already robots and automation" when it comes to final assembly (yes for drivetrain assembly and body in white). I work in the industry. If you go into any final assembly plant (let's use Jeep Wrangler as example) there are 100s if not 1000s of people everywhere. They are a crucial part of the assembly process no matter how smart the tools are that they are using.

I do agree there is always a continued push to reduce or eliminate labor, and how people based mistakes can be reduced or eliminated with design, process, and tools. That's just a fact of the industry for sure.

I am in no way defending what is seen in that video, nor am I taking sides of union, or non union politics.

I'm only saying lots of people work on the assembly line, and they do need to be using their heads, to make a good vehicle still these days.

 

[OrneryBear]

I disagree with you that "most of the line is already robots and automation" when it comes to final assembly (yes for drivetrain assembly and body in white). I work in the industry. If you go into any final assembly plant (let's use Jeep Wrangler as example) there are 100s if not 1000s of people everywhere. They are a crucial part of the assembly process no matter how smart the tools are that they are using.

I do agree there is always a continued push to reduce or eliminate labor, and how people based mistakes can be reduced or eliminated with design, process, and tools. That's just a fact of the industry for sure.

I am in no way defending what is seen in that video, nor am I taking sides of union, or non union politics.

I'm only saying lots of people work on the assembly line, and they do need to be using their heads, to make a good vehicle still these days.

Critical part of my point where I said "COMPARITIVELY" referring to years before the automation.

I also said most of the line is robots and automation. Automation is even something as simple as set torque driver so a worker can't over tighten a screw. I developed a whole automated 5 person assembly station for the center console on a lincoln years ago, every step used PLC automation with sensors and part lock outs so in theory the workers couldn't screw it up and could only assemble it one way and to spec and couldn't pass the part to the next person/step until they had completed it correctly. Fully automated, except you still had to have 5 people doing the work.

I wasn't trying to say there were no people on the line. Though I guess I did make it sound like that.

Robots are a form of automation but automation doesn't mean robots.

 

[pnut]

Critical part of my point where I said "COMPARITIVELY" referring to years before the automation.

I also said most of the line is robots and automation. Automation is even something as simple as set torque driver so a worker can't over tighten a screw. I developed a whole automated 5 person assembly station for the center console on a lincoln years ago, every step used PLC automation with sensors and part lock outs so in theory the workers couldn't screw it up and could only assemble it one way and to spec and couldn't pass the part to the next person/step until they had completed it correctly. Fully automated, except you still had to have 5 people doing the work.

I wasn't trying to say there were no people on the line. Though I guess I did make it sound like that.

Robots are a form of automation but automation doesn't mean robots.

All good, we can still be friends, I think we both know what it's really like down there on the floor.

 

[jack bauer]

I think my wife must have wrote that. She's the biggest critic of jeep quality and calls my Jeep a lemon all the time. But, I'm the lemonade maker. ?

same.

 

[Oldguy18]

How about the employees work efficiently enough that the company cannot justify the millions and millions of dollars in R&D to make machines to replace them?

Coming from an old millwright here, I know I’ll catch hell.

The company’s don’t actually pay millions designing robots to replace workers. Most robots in auto manufacturing are Fanuc and are basically all the same other than size. Fanuc pd for robot R&D, the auto manufacturer pays for R&D for the tooling. I’ve installed hundreds of these robots in manufacturing settings. Robots are put into play mainly because of soft tissue injuries to employees and ambulance chasers

Granted, efficient workers are getting harder to find but companies are greedy along with shareholders.

Yes, that video is very old. Most companies are more vigilant on drug and alcohol policies

Some people like to bash unions but, unions brought you your 40 hr work week, vacation time, higher wages in union and non union shops to be able to try and keep up with inflation, along with better benefits.

“Skilled labor isn’t cheap and cheap labor isn’t skilled “

 

[JEBIGA]

Union labor at its best! At least they’re relaxed…though they scrambled like cockroaches when approached….bring on the robots.

Union labor at its best! At least they’re relaxed…though they scrambled like cockroaches when approached….bring on the robots.

SMH!

 

[jeepingib]

And I recently read that after the strikes and all that mess calmed down and sales aren't where they used to be. Likely due to increasing cost which labor is a key part of. The Toledo plant is laying off a lot of workers. Funny how that works out just like I said during the strikes. The workers can't make more than the they are worth or they will quickly lose their jobs. Labor is outrageous in UAW plants compared to non union US factories and overseas labor. So at a point of cost vs benefit the bean counters will eliminate the workers to be replaced by something, or someone cheaper. Econ 101, the cost of goods can't be higher than the market will afford.

 

[Old Jeeper]

I think my wife must have wrote that. She's the biggest critic of jeep quality and calls my Jeep a lemon all the time. But, I'm the lemonade maker. ?

As someone who has driven Jeep since forever and I finally had enough money to by a new one, It was a YJ in 89 IIRC...since then I have on average, one every 3 yrs.

Over that time I have followed CR and so I will give it to you STRAIGHT:

6 times from 1989 thru 2024 I have gone to a dealer for WARRNTY work.

1. Rear driver's axle broke, 1 week into my new Jeep: Axle was flawed at mfg and should have been installed according to the dealer. Jeep was in the dealer overnight

2/3 to replace my rear view mirror which liked to read Watch for Ice in Dallas in July

4. AC drip hose not fully seated thru the firewall

5. Short in rear driver's brake light.

6. TPMS replaced

1 Jeep had 136k mi on it, 1 had 89k miles, most at at least 25k miles - 45k miles

That is 35 years of Driving.

CR:

Over that time CR has ATTACKED Jeep Wrangler line every single year, their HATRED for Jeep is well known. What do you think the CR Pasty White boys drive? VW, KIA, Fiat, Renault and of course a YOUGO!

Put any of them in the seat of a Jeep on any trail in Moab and they will SHIT in their pants when you drive over the curb onto the trail and they would think it was ShineOla. I bet every time they fart it just goes WHOOSH...

That is my take on CR...

 

[Windshieldfarmer]

As someone who has driven Jeep since forever and I finally had enough money to by a new one, It was a YJ in 89 IIRC...since then I have on average, one every 3 yrs.

Over that time I have followed CR and so I will give it to you STRAIGHT:

6 times from 1989 thru 2024 I have gone to a dealer for WARRNTY work.

1. Rear driver's axle broke, 1 week into my new Jeep: Axle was flawed at mfg and should have been installed according to the dealer. Jeep was in the dealer overnight

2/3 to replace my rear view mirror which liked to read Watch for Ice in Dallas in July

4. AC drip hose not fully seated thru the firewall

5. Short in rear driver's brake light.

6. TPMS replaced

1 Jeep had 136k mi on it, 1 had 89k miles, most at at least 25k miles - 45k miles

That is 35 years of Driving.

CR:

Over that time CR has ATTACKED Jeep Wrangler line every single year, their HATRED for Jeep is well known. What do you think the CR Pasty White boys drive? VW, KIA, Fiat, Renault and of course a YOUGO!

Put any of them in the seat of a Jeep on any trail in Moab and they will SHIT in their pants when you drive over the curb onto the trail and they would think it was ShineOla. I bet every time they fart it just goes WHOOSH...

That is my take on CR...

You are one lucky dude! You need to play the lottery. My 2015 JK was mostly trouble free except for the union worker that stuffed their lunch sack in the fuel filler tube when it was being built…I kid you not. My dealer found that after I was having difficulty fueling.

My JL has been far more problematic, electronic glitches, leaky fuel line, coolant leaks, and now hinge corrosion. I have proactively potted my locker sensors and I installed improved suspension to stabilize the drive. I have enjoyed driving my Jeep but it’s the most problem challenged vehicle I’ve had since owning a 1984 Chevy Celebrity many years ago. CR is not my favorite publication and I think their road test evaluations are biased against Jeep. That said I do however believe they are objective when collecting reliability data. Jeep has clearly earned low score based on my experience.

 

[Old Jeeper]

You are one lucky dude! You need to play the lottery. My 2015 JK was mostly trouble free except for the union worker that stuffed their lunch sack in the fuel filler tube when it was being built…I kid you not. My dealer found that after I was having difficulty fueling.

My JL has been far more problematic, electronic glitches, leaky fuel line, coolant leaks, and now hinge corrosion. I have proactively potted my locker sensors and I installed improved suspension to stabilize the drive. I have enjoyed driving my Jeep but it’s the most problem challenged vehicle I’ve had since owning a 1984 Chevy Celebrity many years ago. CR is not my favorite publication and I think their road test evaluations are biased against Jeep. That said I do however believe they are objective when collecting reliability data. Jeep has clearly earned low score based on my experience.

MY JKR-R and My JLR, never an issue. My 24 JLR-X. I paid the price. I drove 8000 miles ( 4 trips of 202 round trip miles each).

Just to get my TPMS fixed, at least the dealer paid for my gas.

The real was I had a failed TPMS coming out the chute on day 1 when I drove home. They said to bring it back and we will fix it....I head back home after it was fixed and I get about 30 mi down I 75, TPMS fails. They told me to come wash, rise repeat, and finally on the 4th trip, we found out what was wrong.
The TPMS mech kept trying to fix it by adjusting it, never replacing the TPMS. When I found that out on the 4th trip the SHIT HIT THE FAN>. I saw the GM, the SM and had a discussion with all the service writers. I said I was told the TPMS were all replaced EACH TIME I came here and now we find out the MECH never bothered to ever take off a wheel. I told them all you Mech has been lying like rug every trip here takes a full day and costs me 202 mi rd trip.

I said this is. your shop, you do as you want, but if he worked for me and lied to me he would be GONE, and if I find out he gets another job at another dealer I would say it won't last because as soon as I find out where you went I call the GM/SM and let them know how performed here.

Can only blame on a LAZY LIAR!

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