Thinking the unthinkable

[multicam]

Jeep never charged extra for things like vinyl seats, paint color or thicker glass. That’s the kind of ridiculous behavior German automakers have long been known for.

Remember when half doors were the default option and you had to pay extra for full doors?

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[aldo98229]

Remember when half doors were the default option and you had to pay extra for full doors?

Nope. That must have been before my time.

 

[Mudduck]

I own a 2012 Impreza and I will never own another Subaru. The CVT transmission is a money-making device for Subaru. Compared to the Honda's I had before, it has had far more niggling issues. The boxer engines are oil consuming beasts after about 75,000 miles. I put in a quart between 1,200 miles post oil change and before the 3,000-mile change interval. Just a single data point based on my experiences.

Obviously, there are no Perfect vehicles. It also may or may not have anything to do with maintenance, oil type, etc. But for me personally, I'd never willingly own anything with a CVT.

I do have several friends with Subarus, a couple of which are high mileage, and they have no issues. My Grandfather drove his CVT/Outback 2.5 for 286,000 miles and zero issues with the CVT or Oil consumption.
Newer Boxer engines post 2012, 2.5 and 2.0 without boost are far more reliable and without issue than its boosted counterparts.

A few things I learned was to park on an incline if you plan to let the car sit for longer than a couple days, to prevent fluids from pooling (since the pistons lay flat.
Make sure your battery terminals stay clean and ground straps are clean and tight to prevent electrolysis.
Change oil religiously at 3K and coolant every 2 years.

My Grandfather was a Subaru mechanic for 23 years and a service writer for Subaru Dallas for 11. Ill take his word for it.

 

[Retrograde]

The #1 reason Jeeps are so expensive is because the Jeep-buying public is stupid AF. Here is some perspective:

The price of a '2023 392 is $82,495 and up. But for just under 2x that figure, $160,000, you can buy a 2023 Peterbilt 579. And at that price, Paccar (parent company of Peterbilt) is still making a metric crap-tonne of profit. And you know the Peterbilt owner doesn't have to put up with bullshit like death wobble or crappy ESS batteries.

 

[RAMSTEEL]

Jeep never charged extra for things like vinyl seats, paint color or thicker glass. That’s the kind of ridiculous behavior German automakers have long been known for.

JL offers five different sets of fenders, three or four different types of turn signals, five different grilles, etc. None of which 99% buyers can even tell apart, resulting in unnecessary complexity, higher costs, with little discernible benefit to anyone.

I promise you most jeep owners know the nuances of their model, fenders, signals, grills, etc.

 

[aldo98229]

I promise you most jeep owners know the nuances of their model, fenders, signals, grills, etc.

You are too optimistic.

 

[Old Jeeper]

Remember when half doors were the default option and you had to pay extra for full doors?

LOL I remember when doors were an option and they were not made of metal either.

 

[Old Jeeper]

The #1 reason Jeeps are so expensive is because the Jeep-buying public is stupid AF. Here is some perspective:

The price of a '2023 392 is $82,495 and up. But for just under 2x that figure, $160,000, you can buy a 2023 Peterbilt 579. And at that price, Paccar (parent company of Peterbilt) is still making a metric crap-tonne of profit. And you know the Peterbilt owner doesn't have to put up with bullshit like death wobble or crappy ESS batteries.

AND the Peterbuilt, will pay for itself!

 

[sconrad24]

The #1 reason Jeeps are so expensive is because the Jeep-buying public is stupid AF. Here is some perspective:

The price of a '2023 392 is $82,495 and up. But for just under 2x that figure, $160,000, you can buy a 2023 Peterbilt 579. And at that price, Paccar (parent company of Peterbilt) is still making a metric crap-tonne of profit. And you know the Peterbilt owner doesn't have to put up with bullshit like death wobble or crappy ESS batteries.

Yep the price increases are crazy. We should tell perspective buyers no you don’t need that new rubicon. Just buy used or at most a sport s (just so Jeep makes leds standard). Maybe we can make enough of a dent lol.

 

[aldo98229]

Yep the price increases are crazy. We should tell perspective buyers no you don’t need that new rubicon. Just buy used or at most a sport s (just so Jeep makes leds standard). Maybe we can make enough of a dent lol.

It is futile. I keep telling anyone with a pair of ears that they don’t need a Rubicon. But they keep wanting the purdy hood sticker... ?

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Rubicons sell to most of those who buy them for the same reason that "Platinum" trim Pickups and SUVs sell. Because people think that they are getting a premium product. They are built no better than a base Sport.

This forum is skewed different than the vast majority of Wrangler owners, who will never even know this site exists. Those people can't tell the difference between trim levels, or even a what makes a Rubicon a Rubicon. Even the guys that sell then don't know, for the most part.

Rubicons sell to most buyers of them because the dealers order them with all of the options, to include leather. There are just those who want the top of the line model and they really have no clue what they bought. A great many Wranglers, Rubicon or not, will never be put in 4 Hi, much less 4 low, by the original owner.

 

[Old Jeeper]

Rubicons sell to most of those who buy them for the same reason that "Platinum" trim Pickups and SUVs sell. Because people think that they are getting a premium product. They are built no better than a base Sport.

This forum is skewed different than the vast majority of Wrangler owners, who will never even know this site exists. Those people can't tell the difference between trim levels, or even a what makes a Rubicon a Rubicon. Even the guys that sell then don't know, for the most part.

Rubicons sell to most buyers of them because the dealers order them with all of the options, to include leather. There are just those who want the top of the line model and they really have no clue what they bought. A great many Wranglers, Rubicon or not, will never be put in 4 Hi, much less 4 low, by the original owner.

YOU are dead on. Even on this forum, I noticed few know why and how it came to be labeled the Rubicon...and will never exploit its capabilities. I would call 90% of all Jeep drivers cannot drive well enough to capitalize upon the ability of the Jeep at any level of OEM build from Sport to Rubicon.

 

[deserteagle56]

This forum is skewed different than the vast majority of Wrangler owners, who will never even know this site exists. Those people can't tell the difference between trim levels, or even a what makes a Rubicon a Rubicon. Even the guys that sell then don't know, for the most part.

Exactly! All too many of the new Rubicons I see around here are driven by cute little blondes and it is obvious the rig has never been off pavement.

 

[Old Jeeper]

Exactly! All too many of the new Rubicons I see around here are driven by cute little blondes and it is obvious the rig has never been off pavement.

SO true, but worse a few will head to EJS and fail.

One the things I used to teach when I my shop I was going to Moab. You bought that Rubicon to wheel, then you need to learn and you can do it in Moab is the trail system is from 1-10. Start at the lowest level of trails and work up. Your objective is to make that Rubicon, wheel, shifter, clutch, brakes, lockers and all those components and extension of your eyes, hands, and feet.

Answer this question: How far can you lean your Jeep over before it lays down. My TJR will do 53 degrees and if I shift in my seat wrong it lays down. LOL I only laid it down once and that was to figure out how far I go!

I have seen folks struggle to drive over a curb!

 

[Nitehawk92]

The #1 reason Jeeps are so expensive is because the Jeep-buying public is stupid AF. Here is some perspective:

The price of a '2023 392 is $82,495 and up. But for just under 2x that figure, $160,000, you can buy a 2023 Peterbilt 579. And at that price, Paccar (parent company of Peterbilt) is still making a metric crap-tonne of profit. And you know the Peterbilt owner doesn't have to put up with bullshit like death wobble or crappy ESS batteries.

But I do not want a Peterbilt 579 or any other model. Gas mileage is bad enough on Wranglers...lol

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