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With my JLUR with 315/70R17 and 4.10 gears I get 20mpg on the highway (just did a Trip from Atlanta to Lynchburg TN and back last weekend) and have no issue getting into 8th gear. I used JScan to recalibrate my speedo when I when up in tire size.
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I experimented with that. 23 Rubi, 3.6L. 22+mpg, when the rpm is <=1800. Once rpm climbs above 2000rpm, mpg decline rapidly.

On a highway with 55 mph speed limit, I see 22 mpg. Once I join an 70mph highway, my mpg drops to 15mpg.

I used to get 23 mpg with my Honda Element doing the same trip. It is 1k lbs lighter, and 100 hp less than wrangler, and probably same aero coefficient. Jeep needs more torque to move the massive weight.
 

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I experimented with that. 23 Rubi, 3.6L. 22+mpg, when the rpm is <=1800. Once rpm climbs above 2000rpm, mpg decline rapidly.

On a highway with 55 mph speed limit, I see 22 mpg. Once I join an 70mph highway, my mpg drops to 15mpg.

I used to get 23 mpg with my Honda Element doing the same trip. It is 1k lbs lighter, and 100 hp less than wrangler, and probably same aero coefficient. Jeep needs more torque to move the massive weight.
The Wrangler (sport/sahara, not rubicon) has a Cd of .48 (of 1 sq/ft of plate area) and the Element is in the around .40 or slightly lower. That's just part of the story, since the total frontal is multiplied by the Cd to get relative drag number. The jeep has more frontal area than an Element. So, way more total drag in lbs/force at a given speed.
 

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I experimented with that. 23 Rubi, 3.6L. 22+mpg, when the rpm is <=1800. Once rpm climbs above 2000rpm, mpg decline rapidly.

On a highway with 55 mph speed limit, I see 22 mpg. Once I join an 70mph highway, my mpg drops to 15mpg.

I used to get 23 mpg with my Honda Element doing the same trip. It is 1k lbs lighter, and 100 hp less than wrangler, and probably same aero coefficient. Jeep needs more torque to move the massive weight.
Doesn't a Honda Element have a significantly smaller cross-section along with significantly smaller tires (less rolling resistance)? Cross section is a multiplier in the formula for aerodynamic drag, but at least it's not like velocity that gets squared.
 

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Stock '23 Rubicon with Falken MTs and the 3.6 eTorque here. I gain 1-2 mpg when I swap to the soft top. Pretty steady at 18 mpg average. The '19 Sahara 2.0T eTorque kept me in the 22-23 mpg range.

Of course, I live in the land of crosswinds and drive something with the aerodynamics of a brick. Driving with a tailwind is a new kind of fun. So I crank the tunes and roll on...
 

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Doesn't a Honda Element have a significantly smaller cross-section along with significantly smaller tires (less rolling resistance)? Cross section is a multiplier in the formula for aerodynamic drag, but at least it's not like velocity that gets squared.
Let's say, hypothetically, the Jeep has a 20 sq/ft frontal area. Multiply 20 x .48 (Cd) and you get the equivalent drag, in sq/ft, of flat plates moving through the air, or Cdo (coefficient of drag overall). So, 9.6 sq/ft in this example. If the Element has, hypothetically, 15 sq/ft of frontal area and a Cd of .40, you get 6 sq/ft of equivalent flat plate frontal area. Or a Cdo of 6.
 

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My brother and I in the "low speed" tunnel fan section at NASA Langley, where he works.
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Stealthy flying wing in a different tunnel.
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Let's say, hypothetically, the Jeep has a 20 sq/ft frontal area. Multiply 20 x .48 (Cd) and you get the equivalent drag, in sq/ft, of flat plates moving through the air, or Cdo (coefficient of drag overall). So, 9.6 sq/ft in this example. If the Element has, hypothetically, 15 sq/ft of frontal area and a Cd of .40, you get 6 sq/ft of equivalent flat plate frontal area. Or a Cdo of 6.
I pretty sure you're agreeing with me.

And yeah, I worked at NASA for a while in a previous life too.
 

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It's not the weight. It's the diameter. Otherwise a lighter flywheel would give you better mileage
Mmmm, sort of. It's the weight at the moment arm of the tire diameter. 100lb tire take far more power to get going than little stock ones.
 

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Mmmm, sort of. It's the weight at the moment arm of the tire diameter. 100lb tire take far more power to get going than little stock ones.
Depends on how fast you want to accelerate them. Jack your rear axle, put it in gear with big heavy tires on it. They'll spin up very quickly with little throttle. The only objective way to test weight alone is to use the very same tires with added weight. The effects of a larger diameter act against your drivetrain in the same way a longer lever arm works to generate more torque/force than a shorter one. Weight matters most when accelerating the tire, but even that is a low order effect as compared to other factors like diameter and rolling resistance created from wider tread, and especially more aggressive tread pattern. Then throw in that everyone wants to run lower tire pressures. Weight falls way down the list, especially at level ground constant speed cruise. But I'll give you it is there.
 

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Time to regear, and did you toggle the show current gear in cluster option? Its nice to know what gear you are in with auto.

I'm driving a short wheels base brick so now I mostly stay on the right lane, cruising @68 and listen to music. There is no point increasing speed by 10 percent and get significant worst mileage, wind noise, and less safe.
 
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Thanks to all that replied, I appreciate your comments.

That said My JLR has 35 x 12:50 x 17 GY Duratrac shoes. Outside of that it all OEM, 3.6.

It not so much a question of MPG, but rather WHY does it not shift into 7 & 8 gear even at speeds of 75 mph on a flat road. Instead I need shift into 7 & 8 manually. This seems to be a new thing with it. The 35 shoes have been on it since about new. and I am now at 2990 mi as of today. I only noticed this a few days ago going down I 75 and my engine screaming, looking at the RPMs and WTH, I shifted into M and it displayed 6, then I manually went to 7 & 8. And for the past week driving I 75 that the only way get to 7 & 8???

I assure you mpg has little or no meaning in my world.

The real question is: Why is my transmission not shifting to gears 7 & 8, has anyone experienced this?
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