~"Serious offroading"~

[Twisted10]

I hate those stupid things with the passion of a 1,000 burning suns.

why? they are so much fucking fun. we ride almost every weekend. i can leave my house and ride non stop. and, its cheaper than bouncing my 392 off trees

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[autotragic]

why? they are so much fucking fun. we ride almost every weekend. i can leave my house and ride non stop. and, its cheaper than bouncing my 392 off trees

Unfortunately I can't tell you how I really feel else I'd get banned again. Lets just leave it at that.

 

[Mocopo]

why? they are so much fucking fun. we ride almost every weekend. i can leave my house and ride non stop. and, its cheaper than bouncing my 392 off trees

I have nothing against the machines. But the vast majority of the operators, they're terrible.

 

[yokramer]

Unfortunately I can't tell you how I really feel else I'd get banned again. Lets just leave it at that.

Lets just say Im not surprised hes a side by side guy

 

[Twisted10]

Unfortunately I can't tell you how I really feel else I'd get banned again. Lets just leave it at that.

 

[Twisted10]

I have nothing against the machines. But the vast majority of the operators, they're terrible.

lotta douchenozzles in every activity. take a look around this forum...

 

[Twisted10]

Lets just say Im not surprised hes a side by side guy

 

[Mocopo]

lotta douchenozzles in every activity. take a look around this forum...

Fair point! I just do think that one has a particularly high volume.

 

[autotragic]

 

[Ratbert]

That's like saying requiring a 70% or better on any test for a passing grade is subjective though, even though it's pretty standard. Using that logic everything is subjective. This idea that nothing can be measured or defined unless everyone agrees is how we end up with 1,000 genders based on how you feel instead of the biological reality. No, driving down a gravel road isn't serious off roading even if you're doing it on a road bike. Is it hard? Yep. Do you have a high chance of failure due to multiple flat tires? Sure. Does that mean "your truth" is that you were doing serious offroading? Nope. You just picked the wrong tool for the job. Taking a Honda civic off road doesn't make every trail serious offroading it just makes you an unprepared moron. Being afraid of heights doesn't make black bear pass a difficult off road trail like the guides suggest. If it can be driven in 2wd it's not serious off roading period. People like to talk about the consequences of driving off the side of black bear like that's justification for it being considered a hard trail, that logic makes 550 a hard trail as there are some spots where I'd definitely rather try to drive straight down black bear. I think some of tfls list they put together to differentiate between off roaders and "soft roaders" are a good start. No cvt, real transfer case with low range, more ground clearance than it takes to clear a curb at the mall, etc. If you're vehicle doesn't require those things to complete the trail/obstacle it wasn't serious off roading despite how it made you feel.

Good point. That 70% passing grade (65% when I was in school) was chosen subjectively. That standard became objective after it was chosen.

So you're right. If it was possible to measure numerical values for every aspect of the trail, the vehicle, the driver, weather conditions, etc. and calculate a score, then yes, that score could be objectively ranked in a subjectively selected ranking system.

Maybe in a hundred years or so we'll be able to gather those measurements objectively. For now, however, most of those managements are subjective.

 

[yokramer]

 

[Ratbert]

OR what if it was just s scale of 1-10? And then you made an app... and you have every trail a 1-10 rating... and labeled 1-3 as easy, 4-6 as moderate, 7-10 as Serious, or difficult, or extreme... then made it subscription based...

I plan on being the first!!

Exactly. And then you have people provide their subjective opinion as to where they think a given trail fits within that ranking system.

The ranking system became objective once it was defined. Determining where a given trail fits within that ranking system is subjective.

 

[Mocopo]

Exactly. And then you have people provide their subjective opinion as to where they think a given trail fits within that ranking system.

The ranking system became objective once it was defined. Determining where a given trail fits within that ranking system is subjective.

I think we're on the same page. I guess the original argument would be that saying that just because one person thinks it's serious, doesn't mean it actually is. If we were to run through this exercise, take all these measurements, and include a large sampling of opinions, we'd find a much more accurate measurement of the seriousness. That way, when one person thinks a dirt road is serious, we can say "No it's not." Since we aren't willing to do that work, we're left with educated guesses that over-value our own opinion.

 

[3TV]

OR what if it was just s scale of 1-10? And then you made an app... and you have every trail a 1-10 rating... and labeled 1-3 as easy, 4-6 as moderate, 7-10 as Serious, or difficult, or extreme... then made it subscription based...

I plan on being the first!!

Which is what we already have.

I think you already knew that, LOL. So, this whole thread is to discuss whether people believe what we already have?

Example in Moab:
Chicken Corners = 2. Easy
Hell's Revenge = 5. Moderate
Cliff Hanger = 8. "Serious"

 

[autotragic]

I think we're on the same page. I guess the original argument would be that saying that just because one person thinks it's serious, doesn't mean it actually is. If we were to run through this exercise, take all these measurements, and include a large sampling of opinions, we'd find a much more accurate measurement of the seriousness. That way, when one person thinks a dirt road is serious, we can say "No it's not." Since we aren't willing to do that work, we're left with educated guesses that over-value our own opinion.

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