Rolling coal

[Bulletbill]

A friend of mine's son was killed, he was crossing the road on an ATV and a truck hit him, it was a complete accident and he could not avoid hitting the boy (12 years old). He was drug tested and questioned even though the boy's father told them the truck wasn't able to avoid hitting his son. The man went free (as he should have), but he has had to live with that grief for the past 11 years now.

This teenager will also have to live with what he has done, he will never forget it.

One can only hope that he regrets it.

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[AlgUSF]

But if you’re thinking of riding a bicycle along the road in Waller county, I’d suggest considering a different location.

If you're riding a bicycle along a road ANYWHERE in Florida, I'd consider a different location. I'm a runner and have been almost hit over a dozen times in the last 10 years. I've seen two bicyclists get hit by a car on a morning ride, you don't forget the sound of a bicycle helmet hitting pavement. #ShareTheRoad

 

[kermitjewel]

Except nobody died in this accident? Is there an accidental assault statute I’ve never heard of? Assault requires intent. Accidental manslaughter doesn’t.

i was pointing out the correlation between accidents and crimes, which you said do not exist

 

[AnnDee4444]

The idea that rolling coal is an assault is just fucking pathetic.

No. Rolling coal can be an assault, and very likely was in this case. Assaulting someone by rolling coal on them is fucking pathetic.

Edit:
"The DA, Elton Mathis, has issued more than one statement about the case, but the key takeaway from those is that the DA’s office considers rolling coal to be assault, according to one statement:

Rolling coal when a person is in the vicinity and when the individual rolling coal intentionally or knowingly causes that excess exhaust to contact that bystander is AT A MINIMUM an assault."​

#ShareTheRoad

I'm not siding with the coal rolling assaulters in any way but the bicyclists in my area sometimes forget that 'share the road' is a two way street, and they forget how to share back. It's sharing, not yield to all bicycles. Riding 4-deep in the single bike lane and taking up half of the 65MPH car lane, or blowing through traffic lights and expecting the right-of-way isn't sharing.

Now for something fun:

 

[BuyHold]

The Affluenza defense, mentioned by someone else in this thread, originated in Texas. It seems not far-fetched to think that this Coal Kid's circumstances might not be too different from the original Affluenza kid i.e. connected and wealthy parents leading to soft application of law.

Different case but the court went super soft on the Affluenza kid after he recklessly killed someone.... he was subsequently caught violating parole and became a fugitive with his mother even helping the kid flee the country (i.e. aiding and abetting a fugitive).

 

[O)()()()()(O]

This is lawyer-speak for "my client is a white male."

Thankfully, the DA seems to be waiting with rapt anticipation for this to be handed over to his office.

Why the need it inject race into the equation? Why?

 

[multicam]

You know what? I wasn’t there and don’t know what actually happened, so I’m just going to keep my mouth shut about this one.

 

[Bulletbill]

You know what? I wasn’t there and don’t know what actually happened, so I’m just going to keep my mouth shut about this one.

Lol…As you comment on the post, therefore not keeping your mouth shut.

 

[multicam]

Lol…As you comment on the post, therefore not keeping your mouth shut.

Notice that I didn’t inject an opinion into the thread based off of one or more assumptions, past experiences, or past cases.

The point I’m making is that no one in this thread knows shit but everyone loves to make proclamations about what should or shouldn’t happen, what that kid is or isn’t guilty of, etc. How bout we just let the cops, judges and lawyers figure it out? That’s their job

 

[ReimundKrohn]

Anyone here think that the youth should have been let off free-and-clear? That (fairly extensive) damage on the front of the F-250 was made by a human being.
https://jalopnik.com/attorney-for-teen-who-hit-six-cyclists-while-trying-to-1847778188

Since when the hell did “intent” have anything to do with this? “Vehicular Manslaughter” is what you get charged with for accidentally killing someone with an automobile. “Criminal Negligence” would likewise apply here.

 

[rickinAZ]

Notice that I didn’t inject an opinion into the thread based off of one or more assumptions, past experiences, or past cases.

The point I’m making is that no one in this thread knows shit but everyone loves to make proclamations about what should or shouldn’t happen, what that kid is or isn’t guilty of, etc. How bout we just let the cops, judges and lawyers figure it out? That’s their job

Except the cops had a chance to do their job, and they let him go. They didn't go back to the station and open an investigation. They were done with it. If this didn't make the news, the whole episode would be in this kid's rearview mirrors, and no one would be the wiser. Except for the victims who may have to live with pain for the rest of their lives.

 

[Bulletbill]

Notice that I didn’t inject an opinion into the thread based off of one or more assumptions, past experiences, or past cases.

The point I’m making is that no one in this thread knows shit but everyone loves to make proclamations about what should or shouldn’t happen, what that kid is or isn’t guilty of, etc. How bout we just let the cops, judges and lawyers figure it out? That’s their job

I was just saying you made a comment. After you said no comment. I never said your comment had substance. And I put an “lol” in there to show that I found it amusing, as in funny, as this is still funny because now you commented twice.

Edit. It wasn’t my intent to get you angry, honestly it’s been a long day, and was trying to lighten the mood some. I am sorry that it didn’t come off the way I wanted it to.

I guess my wife has another ally in her corner when she says I’m not funny?‍

 

[ReimundKrohn]

Except the cops had a chance to do their job, and they let him go. They didn't go back to the station and open an investigation. They were done with it. If this didn't make the news, the whole episode would be in this kid's rearview mirrors, and no one would be the wiser.

That isn’t the job of the Police. That is the job of a Judge and possibly Jury. The Police are there to enforce the law, not to decide the case. People were injured. A young man was negligent. Charges are in order. Now, if a Judge and Jury determines he is not guilty, that is another matter entirely… but it is not for the Police to decide.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Affluenza originated in Texas? Pretty sure that’s been going on since there have been laws being enforced. It happens everywhere. More often than any of us know.

The evidence that has to be proven in this case will take weeks to compile. It’s better to arrest him on a warrant after the iinvestigator reviews the available evidence and presents it in an arrest warrant to a judge, rather than book him for whatever offense they decided at the the time of the crash. They know who he is and where he lives. Will he get representation? Sure, but he would even if arrested on the scene. There are several possible charges and the elements of those need to be outlined in the case that will be filed with the DA.

Then the DA will have to compile everything and issue subpoenas for all involved parties. Some vicims may still be unable to testify, causing a reset.

It ain’t like TV folks. He’s not going to get hooked and booked and have the case wrapped up in 44 min, not counting commercials.

If the kid is connected the DA will want every T crossed and I dotted, knowing that someone who is clearly prosecutable will fight to the bitter end, because they have the money to do so. Also, if the kid is connected the high bond would be paid and he’d still be free. At least now he has to worry about what charges may be coming his way. If one of the cyclists dies, then the stakes become even higher for him, and everyone involved.

 

[ReimundKrohn]

… I should add: “Rolling Coal” (modifying a vehicles emissions system to make it blow dense black smoke) is illegal in both the US and Canada. It was made illegal in 2014. Even if the driver didn’t have an accident resulting in injuries, he broke this law and should stand charges. This is Federal legislation, and he would be tried in Federal court. Fines for violation of this law are and have been substantial. Break you and put you into permanent poverty level, in some cases.

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