Public charger "protocol"

[The Last Cowboy]

I think we can all agree that the current state of electric power generation and transmission infrastructure (often called “the grid”) is proving to be quite, to nearly woefully, inadequate.

Action is required now to get not only to the point of adequacy, but to continue improvements as part of the plan for future demand and reliability.

It should be obvious to many that removing those utilities from the public trust and privatizing a large amount of them has led to quarterly earnings reports being more important than the very business they are in, in the first place. They aren’t just selling widgets, reliable electric power is more than just your AC or lights, for more and more people it’s now a matter of life and death.

In short, the current state of the grid can’t reliably meet demand at all times, and barely has any safety margin at peak hours. Hard work has to be done to fix the issue now, and continue to develop for the future. Using EVs as storage banks is not the answer.

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[Take57]

Every once in awhile you'll see a lifted, coal rolling bro-dozer parked in an EV spot, you know the ones, Carolina lean, purple and lime green accents on everything. They think that they're being pretty cool. But hey, we should all applaud and respect peaceful protests, right?

I've seen that in West Virginia. The cherry on the cake is when they parallel park and block the space for three EV's.

 

[2nd 392]

I will never understand the emotional attachment people have to topics that are simply machinery and numbers. There aren’t any moral value judgments to be made in these arguments.

As one who has had an attachment to performance vehicles since my formative years in NHRA pits I understand. But don’t make any moral, heck, don’t care what anyone else’s wants and needs choice is…. Just let market forces prevail. It won’t be long before the coming new tech makes EV’s attractive. The pre mature market pressures created the negative judge-mental attitude. Added to the forces making my lifelong passion/hobby nearly impossible. The few remaining V8 vehicles are in Hospice care, and virtually no performance upgrades on existing ones can be done here, other than a CARB approved Whipple Supercharger on an otherwise stock engine.
Ahh Hates EV’s

 

[ColonelSanders]

The environment exists to serve us. Only delusional people think they can save “the environment” by their choice of car.

If you’ve seen LA before and after catalytic converters you know the car you drive has an impact on your environment. I’d rather my kids have cleaner air to breathe.

 

[Husky Man]

What's happening a lot around here is that meth tweakers are cutting of the charging cable to recycle the copper. The news however reports it as "vandalism".

Every once in awhile you'll see a lifted, coal rolling bro-dozer parked in an EV spot, you know the ones, Carolina lean, purple and lime green accents on everything. They think that they're being pretty cool. But hey, we should all applaud and respect peaceful protests, right?

Well, if it’s meant as a Protest, at least it IS a Peaceful Protest. I was born and raised in Portland, OR, don’t believe ANY of the BS that the MSM tries to LIE to you about the “Mostly Peaceful Protests “ in Portland, or any of the other cities that had “Mostly Peaceful Protests “

My Friend and neighbor across the street works for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department, and was on the front lines, at the Federal Courthouse in Portland during those NOTHING PEACEFUL about them RIOTS, that IIRC, lasted for 104 Days, yep over a quarter, and dayum near a third of a Year.

If the worst protest you have to “Endure “ is Bubba in a jacked up F350, parking in an EV charging station, well sorry to tell ya, I ain’t crying or losing any sleep for ya


Doug

 

[mwilk012]

If you’ve seen LA before and after catalytic converters you know the car you drive has an impact on your environment. I’d rather my kids have cleaner air to breathe.

Then stop living in cities with a million people per square mile.

 

[8ball]

EV’s are a fad. My company has looked at adding more chargers for employee parking and the proposals equate to roughly $23,500 per charging station. This of course is installed as close to the electrical distribution as possible for wire length and voltage drop. At a minimum fast charging requires single phase 2pole 30-50amp supply. 480v step down transformer to 208v supply commercially. The problem these companies run into is if they provide free charging not only is it free the EV drivers get the closest spots to the building right next to handicap. ICE driving employees then ask why aren’t they paying for my gas…no way with 3000k employees could you possibly ask everyone to drive EV and charge daily.

 

[Tncdrew]

There are 239 million licensed drivers in the US. 283 million registered vehicles in 2022. (Most recent data I could find quickly)

Typical passenger vehicles with a battery capacity of 40-70 kWh, with these new heavy trucks coming it at near 200 kWh or more. Even assuming a conservative average of 70kwh per vehicle, and people don’t drive 300 miles a day. Let’s be nice and say 15kWh per day per vehicle. Thats about 20 miles worth. Thats 3,585 TWh of energy.

4,178 TWh was the total energy production of the US in 2023.

Well then, like CA, I guess none of the rest of us will be allowed to run our air conditioners

Good post!

 

[Whaler27]

Rick in AZ asked three good questions:

1) To be fair, there is no sign that says "EV charging only", but wouldn't that be obvious?

2) I know that there is no honor amongst thieves, but isn't there honor amongst the EV's brethren?

3) Has anyone else witnessed this type of thing?

I think I know the answers:

1) Nope. For a shockingly large proportion of our population, NOTHING is obvious — which is why we need to tell people not to light cigarettes/smoke while gassing up, and we need bold placards saying ”not for human consumption” on products like rat poison, paint, and pesticide. After nearly 40 years of professionally watching the art of stupid, I’m still seeing new examples that blow my mind.

2) Nope. That group includes at least as large a proportion of oblivious and self-centered folks as the rest of the population, with a heavier than average dose of holier-than-thou and self-righteousness.

3) Yes. Every day in every imaginable context. I see great acts of brilliance, kindness, and selflessness too. We humans are a mixed bag, but I think about one-third of our population has an IQ somewhere well below the average labrador retriever, and a significant proportion of those folks is also substance-impaired much of the time. That’s why there’s a near infinite supply of “Darwin Award” candidates. If you read a few of those stories every year you’ll be less surprised by stupid behavior.

 

[Willys41]

Rick in AZ asked three good questions:



I think I know the answers:

1) Nope. For a shockingly large proportion of our population, NOTHING is obvious — which is why we need to tell people not to light cigarettes/smoke while gassing up, and we need bold placards saying ”not for human consumption” on products like rat poison, paint, and pesticide. After nearly 40 years of professionally watching the art of stupid, I’m still seeing new examples that blow my mind.

2) Nope. That group includes at least as large a proportion of oblivious and self-centered folks as the rest of the population, with a heavier than average dose of holier-than-thou and self-righteousness.

3) Yes. Every day in every imaginable context. I see great acts of brilliance, kindness, and selflessness too. We humans are a mixed bag, but I think about one-third of our population has an IQ somewhere well below the average labrador retriever, and a significant proportion of those folks is also substance-impaired much of the time. That’s why there’s a near infinite supply of “Darwin Award” candidates. If you read a few of those stories every year you’ll be less surprised by stupid behavior.

You got that right. I have one of these hanging in my shop.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

I was just thinking after reading through some posts, that about 3 years ago this thread would have been very different. Many would have been contributing telling us that electric is the future and that all conventionally powered vehicles would soon be scrapped or used lawn art. My how this bubble has burst.

It seems that more of us now agree that gas/diesel vehicles have their place as do EVs. As I see it, there will never be a full “transition” in the foreseeable future.

The next battle will likely be attempts to tax on vehicles and fuel at confiscatory rates, as part of the goal all along, at least as it seems to me, has been to significantly reduce the populations ability to move about as freely as we do now. Listen to the words of the current Secretary of Transportation and read UN Agenda 2030. They don’t hide what the goal is. We just refuse to see it for what it is.

 

[Whaler27]

You got that right. I have one of these hanging in my shop.

Yup!

Check out this handful of Darwin awards. After that, people improperly parking in charging spots or handicap parking will seem unremarkble.

And remember, people have to actually die to qualify for Darwin, there are millions of others who were equally stupid but somehow managed to survive.

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[rickinAZ]

Honestly, I'm usually inclined to park farther away because I don't want dings.

Gina, look into rockrails. ACE's stick out 4.5" and your JL is door ding-proof.

 

[BXFXJeep]

EV’s are a fad. My company has looked at adding more chargers for employee parking and the proposals equate to roughly $23,500 per charging station. This of course is installed as close to the electrical distribution as possible for wire length and voltage drop. At a minimum fast charging requires single phase 2pole 30-50amp supply. 480v step down transformer to 208v supply commercially. The problem these companies run into is if they provide free charging not only is it free the EV drivers get the closest spots to the building right next to handicap. ICE driving employees then ask why aren’t they paying for my gas…no way with 3000k employees could you possibly ask everyone to drive EV and charge daily.

No company should be installing chargers for employee use, especially at those exorbitant prices.

If they really want they could install 120v, if that, people can charge enough to get them back home, and let them pay for the charging spots.

Realistically a 40 mile round trip can be charged overnight at home on a 120v, so there is no reason for workplace charging.

 

[GinaC]

Gina, look into rockrails. ACE's stick out 4.5" and your JL is door ding-proof.

Thanks! I do have the wider rock rails from Mopar. But of course I'm paranoid about my new baby.

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