Permanently disable engine auto start stop (ESS) at stoplights?

[jeepoch]

One of the first few mods I did...

All,

These ESS threads are just so interesting...

People are so damn religious about ESS and why use it (or most prevalently in this forum) why not. I have one very humble but honest, sincere and controversial question: How many people that absolutely hate ESS, and are willing to yank it the hell out of their rigs no matter the cost or effort) continue to vote for pro-environmental, pro-government, left leaning nanny-state, socialist (Borg Collective) policies?

ESS is unfortunately or fortunately if you are an environmentalist, a DIRECT result. You (we) are now reaping what has unfortunately been sown. ESS is the natural result of over-the-top CAFE standards in our headlong race into killing the internal combustion engine and all things fossil fuel.

Furthermore and independently, all third-party programmer products like this one have a fundamental flaw, they bypass designed in security measures that inherently prevent tampering.

In order to run this permanent ESS disable, this Autostop Eliminator (as well as the Tazer JL and all others) require the removal of the Security Gateway (SGW) Module. Read their installation manuals. Each and every single one of them requires that the SGW be bypassed.

Is this not a BIG Red Flag to anyone? In your haste to eradicate a federally mandated (nuisance) system, you are now willing to potentially allow a remote bad actor (hacker) access into your vehicle's communication control network just so you don't have to press a silly little button. A disable button that is thankfully there (the radical environmentalists may still prevail in removing even that) just because you may have unwittingly helped ESS be implemented (via your vote) in the first place?

Also please understand that the Security Gateway Module is FCA's (and the entire automotive industry's) answer in preventing remote digital intrusion into your vehicle. If you have any type of remote Internet connected radio in your Jeep, like the UConnect 4, you have a path into your rig that the bad guys or gals, or whatever moniker they now want to call themselves, (feeling compelled to be politically correct), that they now can potentially exploit. You've just removed the very thing that was designed and implemented to prevent unauthorized intrusion. Without the SGW, remote digital hacking is certainly possible.

Still not very likely, the hackers don't necessarily know which Jeeps have these defeats attached (unless you advertise this fact). However, you can be your own judge as to how worried you'll need to be. By using any programmer there is a non-zero probability that you're Jeep can be remotely attacked.

While Jeeps are completely mechanical for steering, many throttle and braking components are 'drive-by-wire'. Especially the top-end trim levels.

Additionally, these way cool programmers are crafted to provide exceptionally creative ways into your engine, transmission and body control computer's variable calibrations. That is after all the genius that these products offer.

So please consider all these possibilities when deciding how best to thwart that evil nasty government mandated little pushbutton on your dash.

The proper way to permanently disable ESS is to let your free market opinions be heard and acted upon in a free and open society. Rather than pressing the dash button, press the correct lever at the ballot box to help remove these much hated environmental nanny-state regulations.

Or stop bitching about it...

Please don't be mad at me for bringing this to your attention. I'm being both candid and honest. I'm on your side. I'd rather have an environment that doesn't mandate anything. The little dash pushbutton would instead enable (rather than disable) the ESS feature. However, as of right now our current political will clearly demonstrates that the government knows best. Individually we clearly don't know how to make our own informed decisions.

Jay

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[MotoMatt]

After 12 years in the Navy, I'm not sure I would agree with that statement.

is because military is predicated on common sense .

 

[ConqSoft]

Good thing my ESS eliminator came with a lifetime supply of tin foil hats.

 

[SmartStopStart.com]

In order to run this permanent ESS disable, this Autostop Eliminator (as well as the Tazer JL and all others) require the removal of the Security Gateway (SGW) Module. Read their installation manuals. Each and every single one of them requires that the SGW be bypassed.

Is this not a BIG Red Flag to anyone? In your haste to eradicate a federally mandated (nuisance) system, you are now willing to potentially allow a remote bad actor (hacker) access into your vehicle's communication control network just so you don't have to press a silly little button. A disable button that is thankfully there (the radical environmentalists may still prevail in removing even that) just because you may have unwittingly helped ESS be implemented (via your vote) in the first place?

Also please understand that the Security Gateway Module is FCA's (and the entire automotive industry's) answer in preventing remote digital intrusion into your vehicle. If you have any type of remote Internet connected radio in your Jeep, like the UConnect 4, you have a path into your rig that the bad guys or gals, or whatever moniker they now want to call themselves, (feeling compelled to be politically correct), that they now can potentially exploit. You've just removed the very thing that was designed and implemented to prevent unauthorized intrusion. Without the SGW, remote digital hacking is certainly possible.

Still not very likely, the hackers don't necessarily know which Jeeps have these defeats attached (unless you advertise this fact). However, you can be your own judge as to how worried you'll need to be. By using any programmer there is a non-zero probability that you're Jeep can be remotely attacked.

Not entirely true. The SGW disable hacking hazard is true for the Tazer because as you say it bypasses the SGW. The SGW is NOT bypassed or disabled with the SmartStopStart. I do not have knowledge or any other manufacturers device.

SmartStopStart have been a forum sponsor for three years and our device is proven reliable and totally side-effect free in thousands of JLs.

 

[jeepoch]

Not entirely true. The SGW disable hacking hazard is true for the Tazer because as you say it bypasses the SGW. The SGW is NOT bypassed or disabled with the SmartStopStart. I do not have knowledge or any other manufacturers device.

SmartStopStart have been a forum sponsor for three years and our device is proven reliable and totally side-effect free in thousands of JLs.

My apologies. I have no direct experience with SmartStopStart. I did indeed paint this defeat mechanism with a broad brush, I should not have done that. My bad.

However, my primary point still stands. If you need to bypass the Security Gateway Module (for whatever reason), you're removing the very thing that's intended by the vehicle manufacturer to prevent unauthorized intrusion.

It's your Jeep do what you want with it. I have no right to imply otherwise.

As you say, if your product indeed requires no SGW bypass, then no issue. Good job, I'm impressed. This should be the go to answer for those wanting to defeat ESS (permanently).

Personally, I have no real religious preference. It's there, I also know that I have complete control over it. Just like a pilot has complete responsibility with all controls in his cockpit, pressing the button (or not) is just a natural pre-flight configuration before I take off in my Jeep. I mostly allow it but I do sometimes disable ESS intentionally.

If this feature was not mandated arguably due to pretty aggressive CAFE standards, I for one would not complain in needing to push the button to enable it before takeoff.

I would certainly prefer automatic ESS be default disabled with a forced enable. Unfortunately, the government does not trust that enough of us would prefer to enable it. This thread (and others) sort of proves their case. With the ESS enabled by default, this does at least give the automotive companies a legal exemption. They are not responsible what the individual consumer does. However, I am worried that overly progressive policy may indeed remove the button altogether. The nanny-state will not give us any choice and your company will be issued a cease and desist order. That's my subtle secondary point.

Still sincere kudos to your company for finding a way to leave the Security Gateway in play while defeating these EPA mandates.

Jay

 

[Graphic914]

$130 to turn that function off? I'll just push the off button for free

 

[Rhinebeck01]

$130 to turn that function off? I'll just push the off button for free

I'd say deal with it then, push the button lots and lots, suffer with ESS, if you so chose. To each his own..

But ......Reality is a StopStartStop unit will be very easily sold down the road in a couple/a few years, when you eventually sell your JL.

With that said, I'll enjoy / reap what the SmartStopStart does and then sell it when I sell the JL. I expect I will re-coop more then half of what I paid for it.

A Tazer JL MIni is another device that you buy and can sell someday for at least half of what you paid for it. I used a Tazer JL Mini on my JL for many months and then sold it for $50 less then what I paid for it. I'll do similar with the SmartStopStart.

 

[Sand Flea]

Installed the SmartStartStop today.
https://www.smartstopstart.com/jeep-dodge-chrysler-products.html

Today is my 2 year anniversary of delivery.
I gave ESS this long and still hated it. Fixed that today.

Here is the Youtube video on installing it. I had it done in 15 minutes.

 

[Trauma Jeep]

Autostartstop eliminator has been installed!

 

[ConqSoft]

I have exercised the demons, this JL is clear! Autostartstop eliminator has been installed!

Unless you just like skinny demons, you may want to exorcise them too.

 

[Trauma Jeep]

Unless you just like skinny demons, you may want to exorcise them too.

Lol. Fat fingers and little keys.

 

[modeler]

For sure don't want to pay either 100+ or 300+ in whatever module to disable ESS.
Did someone test what happen you just short that ESS switch? I heard now jeep is all on the so called CAN-BUS system, so it is not a switch short job can disable something.
What about using arduino, when the vehicle is started - a 12v detected, short the circuit once. That's very easy to do in arduino, I just want to see if anyone test it.

 

[mjgood]

I got the Autostop Eliminator mentioned in post #100.. wikibuy found a discount code for $9.99 off.. (not sure if forum rules allow posting code)... ended up being $90 total... I don't believe it's bypassing the SGW, looks like it just remembers the last state of the button and applies it after each start... had it a few weeks and couldn't be happier.. no issues at all..

 

[Trauma Jeep]

I got the Autostop Eliminator mentioned in post #100.. wikibuy found a discount code for $9.99 off.. (not sure if forum rules allow posting code)... ended up being $90 total... I don't believe it's bypassing the SGW, looks like it just remembers the last state of the button and applies it after each start... had it a few weeks and couldn't be happier.. no issues at all..

Same here.

 

[Sand Flea]

I got the Autostop Eliminator mentioned in post #100.. wikibuy found a discount code for $9.99 off.. (not sure if forum rules allow posting code)... ended up being $90 total... I don't believe it's bypassing the SGW, looks like it just remembers the last state of the button and applies it after each start... had it a few weeks and couldn't be happier.. no issues at all..

SmartStartStop works the same way.
that is the one I installed.

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