Looking grim for Stellantis

[JesseT]

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My BIL in Minnesota only buys the high end BMW’s. He is not a car guy and is not mechanically inclined. He is at the point that once a problem comes along, they get one chance to fix it. He is sick and tired of having to “bring it back in” for the same problem. If it is past the warranty and they don’t fix it right, he trades it in on another new BMW.

That'll teach them!

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[Foxtrot1]

If you buy anything right now whether it’s a house, toys or even groceries Everything is double or triple the price it was just a few years ago.
Huge discounts right now on new vehicles would kill the used vehicle market definitely. Which doesn’t help the new car market if trade in values drop too much.

I did a search on autotrader for a new 2024 392 after reading the OPs article and the big discounts are here with up to $16k off at $80k. Thats the same price I paid for my 21 392 at 5% below invoice back in 21. Pretty tempted to pull the trigger on number 2 especially if quality is expected to get worse than it is now.

 

[Wbino]

LOL nothing random about comparing a vehicle to it's competition.



But the point is that the competition is NOT priced roughly the same. Again, when I can buy a higher-trim midsize luxury SUV cheaper than I can buy a middle-of-the-range Wrangler, there is a HUGE problem. If anything, the fully loaded High Altitude should be falling in the lower-end of the luxury mid-size SUV range...cause while it's not going to compete with a luxury SUV, it does have a few things those premium offerings don't.

I've pulled along side Porsche Cayenne with my Jeep with the SOT open and windows out, the fun factor alone make the Jeep more desirable.
You want Jeep to be the new Kia? Jeeps are made in America by Americans, I for one recognize that fact and don't mind paying extra.
I actually have a High Altitude 2021 with a V6 e torque that was 55k, I thought it was priced well for the loaded Jeep.

 

[Wbino]

Build quality is part quality. You can't say you bought a new vehicle and didn't have problems and then immediately mention a problem you had. If you spend 60k on a vehicle the only thing you should be visiting the dealer for is oil changes and other maintenance services, at least for the first 30k.



The Wagoneer is a running joke at my shop because of how unreliable they are. I remember when they were first coming out I was getting ROs with 3 pages of RSUs/recalls for them. It was crazy. If you bought a Wagoneer you got scammed, big time.

On a side note, Stellantis has stopped pretty much all training in the last year or two. Classes are almost never ran anymore. Nobody at my shop has been to training in over a year, except a mopar scope class that we had to petition Stellantis directly to host to get levels back for 2 of our guys. The instructor LITERALLY QUIT the day the class ended. I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.

When I first started I was going to training like every other month. Now it seems the new guys do their online training and when they're ready to do in class training they get stuck because they don't host classes anymore, or when they do it's like once a year with very limited seats.

The training issue has gotten serious enough that they completely overhauled technician levels recently. It used to be you needed to be level 2 or level 3 in certain areas in order to perform warranty repairs, such as being level 3 in transmissions to replace a transmission. We're so strapped for qualified technicians Stellantis had to outright remove the level requirements for warranty repairs. Now anybody can work on anything so long as you don't get too many comebacks. I'm serious.

You work in a Jeep shop what are you going to see? Breakdowns.
I bet cops see alot of crooks, and firemen fires.....Santitation, garbage....

 

[Foxtrot1]

Tesla is literally parking their unsold "cars" in lots across the country hiding the fact that they are not selling and falsely keeping the stock inflated.

This! I was at the mall yesterday getting my son some football equipment and wondered why there were over 50 new teslas parked on the 3rd floor of the parking garage.

 

[AlgUSF]

The Wagoneer is a running joke at my shop because of how unreliable they are. I remember when they were first coming out I was getting ROs with 3 pages of RSUs/recalls for them. It was crazy. If you bought a Wagoneer you got scammed, big time.

My wife and I were looking at a Grand Wagoneer when they first came out and the sticker price was like 94K with no discounts off MSRP. During the test drive the saleswoman said "... and you can order DoorDash right from your car". I thought to myself, is that really a selling feature? I mean, you're already in the car..... Why not just pick up the takeout yourself?

We weren't interested in the Wagoneer at all as the fit and finish were stereotypically "Jeep-like".

 

[Sparty]

This! I was at the mall yesterday getting my son some football equipment and wondered why there were over 50 new teslas parked on the 3rd floor of the parking garage.

...I'll get in trouble for mentioning specifics, but I bet they're being told to do that

 

[aldo98229]

Jeep has had like 8 different owners over the years, so I'm not sure how much I care if it ends up getting a 9th one or a 10th one or an 11th one.

The Wrangler will live on, regardless of what happens to the Jeep brand or the umbrella company that owns it. Wrangler is too much of a golden egg for anyone to just abandon.

Sadly, with every iteration, "Jeeps" become more and more watered down, and less and less capable.

Subaru Cross-Trek now outperforms and handily outsells Jeep Compass. A few months ago, Motor Trend ranked Honda Pilot above new Grand Cherokee in "off-road capability." That is simply embarrassing.

It is only a matter of time until some brilliant product planner in Paris decides that Wrangler needs to share unibody construction with some Peugeot no one wants to buy.

 

[gsbrockman]

This! I was at the mall yesterday getting my son some football equipment and wondered why there were over 50 new teslas parked on the 3rd floor of the parking garage.

I’d almost be afraid of a floor collapsing.

 

[Dusty Dude]

It is only a matter of time until some brilliant product planner in Paris decides that Wrangler needs to share unibody construction with some Peugeot no one wants to buy.

As much as I HATE GM, I would bastardize a Jeep with an LS install before I would ever consider a unibody.

 

[TheRaven]

I actually have a High Altitude 2021 with a V6 e torque that was 55k, I thought it was priced well for the loaded Jeep.

$55k would be a solid price for a High Altitude today...that would put it right even with base-trim premium SUVs. Unfortunately today $55k barely gets you a base Rubicon. The Rubicon X (which is essentially what the High Altitude was) is $70k. That's very deep into well-equipped luxury SUV territory...which is ludicrous.

 

[Wbino]

$55k would be a solid price for a High Altitude today...that would put it right even with base-trim premium SUVs. Unfortunately today $55k barely gets you a base Rubicon. The Rubicon X (which is essentially what the High Altitude was) is $70k. That's very deep into well-equipped luxury SUV territory...which is ludicrous.

And bread used to be a nickel...what's your point?

 

[JLUR Farout]

I wonder how much money they could save, if, in 2024 they could admit that Chrysler is gone. Why do the fenders on my 2024 have the 5 star Chrysler emblem stamped in them, some parts say Mopar, some parts say Stellantis. Some parts are made in China, some Thailand, some Nicaragua, some Canada, some Mexico, and a handfull in 'Merica. They paid an IT team to ruin Uconnect to suck data from my cell phone, remove awesome Sirius services, add data tracking to sell via spying on me, and the list goes on. Also, the overuse of stupid long bump stops, weak springs, and so on. Just to set up your Jeep similar to their add picture ones.

And, yes, pricing. I still do no not get why LED headlights still cost $1,000.

 

[JesseT]

I wonder how much money they could save, if, in 2024 they could admit that Chrysler is gone. Why do the fenders on my 2024 have the 5 star Chrysler emblem stamped in them, some parts say Mopar, some parts say Stellantis. Some parts are made in China, some Thailand, some Nicaragua, some Canada, some Mexico, and a handfull in 'Merica. They paid an IT team to ruin Uconnect to suck data from my cell phone, remove awesome Sirius services, add data tracking to sell via spying on me, and the list goes on. Also, the overuse of stupid long bump stops, weak springs, and so on. Just to set up your Jeep similar to their add picture ones.

And, yes, pricing. I still do no not get why LED headlights still cost $1,000.

Careful Holmes, you'll get accused of sporting tinfoil headwear around here if you caught expressing any displeasure with how your Jeep collects your data.

 

[CarbonSteel]

Perform the same analysis for your Bronco. I bet it’s experienced the same, if not more, price increases in a shorter amount of time. Figures don’t have emotions. EVERYTHING has gone up in price dramatically over the past few years.

Which is what I said in my OP, but am questioning the value of said increases--for all brands. While I do not have the cost history from the beginning on the Bronco, sticker to sticker shows about a $1,000 increase from the 2023 Wildtrak I bought to a comparable 2024 so that does not align to the $2,200 per year increase for the Wrangler--but there could have been a dramatic increase for the Bronco at some point that moves it closer to the same level of increases the Wrangler has seen.

In the end, they are all too expensive...

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