LED'S run too cold!

[rkj__]

Honestly, anyone who's driven in snow AND at night with factory leds know how hazardous it is, dangerous if I may.

And those saying just pull over and wipe off are funny to say the least. Pulling over on a highway with huge plows is just not an option nor is it if there is little street to pull over on(snow banks).
It's dangerous to get out.

After clearing your lights you about 2-5mins before you loose 80% illumination.

Being recessed has little to do w it, just look at how much your grill and such gets with snow.

Jeep needs to recall and/or add warmers as a recall.

Even poses hazard as other driver cant see you at night.

This is a huge lawsuit waiting to happen.

I agree with you completely, with just one exception. Even when snowed or iced over, the headlights are still visible to oncoming traffic.

I saw a moron this week who only cleared his windshield after 10" of snow fell on his or her car. The headlights had 8+" of snow on them, but they still illuminated the snow covering them, they just did not throw any light to illuminate ahead of the vehicle.

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[Durango]

Honestly, anyone who's driven in snow AND at night with factory leds know how hazardous it is, dangerous if I may.
And those saying just pull over and wipe off are funny to say the least. Pulling over on a highway with huge plows is just not an option nor is it if there is little street to pull over on(snow banks).
It's dangerous to get out.

After clearing your lights you about 2-5mins before you loose 80% illumination.
Being recessed has little to do w it, just look at how much your grill and such gets with snow.

Jeep needs to recall and/or add warmers as a recall.
Even poses hazard as other driver cant see you at night.
This is a huge lawsuit waiting to happen.

Have you ever had a pre-Halogen, pre-LED lit vehicle in the snow? I have, and the headlights in the right conditions would ice up and get covered with snow - as would the windshield. No vehicle with stock lights of and kind is going to be perfect in all snow conditions.
So you look for a SAFE place to pull over and clean 'em off. (I had a big orange 4WD van - hard to miss it pulled off safely)
Jeep isn't going to recall anything for this, and neither will any other vehicle (which there are many of) that has LEDs. Sure, anyone can sue anyone, but this would be frivolous...

I like the idea of running a line from the windshield washer to spray the lights - that would help but you might have to run that line (a metal section) over the exhaust to heat it first. Although...ever taken a cup of black coffee or warm water and thrown it up in the air in the sub-freezing temps? - it freezes before it hits the ground (OK, did that from the second story balcony).

 

[KnG818]

Have you ever had a pre-Halogen, pre-LED lit vehicle in the snow? I have, and the headlights in the right conditions would ice up and get covered with snow - as would the windshield. No vehicle with stock lights of and kind is going to be perfect in all snow conditions.
So you look for a SAFE place to pull over and clean 'em off. (I had a big orange 4WD van - hard to miss it pulled off safely)
Jeep isn't going to recall anything for this, and neither will any other vehicle (which there are many of) that has LEDs. Sure, anyone can sue anyone, but this would be frivolous...

I like the idea of running a line from the windshield washer to spray the lights - that would help but you might have to run that line (a metal section) over the exhaust to heat it first. Although...ever taken a cup of black coffee or warm water and thrown it up in the air in the sub-freezing temps? - it freezes before it hits the ground (OK, did that from the second story balcony).

In the middle of a snow storm, AT NIGHT, looking for a "safe" location to pull over every 5mins to clean your lights to be able to see is non sense.

This happens even in light snow from the kick up of cars in front of you.

So no highway driving in the snow at night?

It gets dark at 430...most people are driving home at that time.

Your argument is ridiculous

 

[Durango]

In the middle of a snow storm, AT NIGHT, looking for a "safe" location to pull over every 5mins to clean your lights to be able to see is non sense.
This happens even in light snow from the kick up of cars in front of you.
So no highway driving in the snow at night?
It gets dark at 430...most people are driving home at that time.
Your argument is ridiculous

Wow. You must not have read my response, or you simply don't like when someone disagrees with you...
ANY headlight can and will get snow on it in the right conditions - it's not related to LEDs. I have had plenty of nighttime driving in the snow (I actually prefer night driving to day driving) in vehicles with incandescent lights, and they have collected their share of snow. (and they weren't on a Jeep) So you have to either have accessory lights or pull over now and then, safely, so clean them off. I have had my windshield collect snow too, even with wipers going. Gotta pull over to clear that too...or should I have filed a lawsuit over it, or asked for a recall. Now that's ridiculous.

 

[rkj__]

ANY headlight can and will get snow on it in the right conditions - it's not related to LEDs.

It has everything to do with LEDs, and how the surface of the headlight is comparatively a lot cooler than other headlight technologies which generate a lot of heat, which prevents freezing of road spray on it's surface.

 

[InvertedLogic]

It has everything to do with LEDs, and how the surface of the headlight is comparatively a lot cooler than other headlight technologies which generate a lot of heat, which prevents freezing of road spray on it's surface.

What is your explanation for this then?

 

[KnG818]

Wow. You must not have read my response, or you simply don't like when someone disagrees with you...
ANY headlight can and will get snow on it in the right conditions - it's not related to LEDs. I have had plenty of nighttime driving in the snow (I actually prefer night driving to day driving) in vehicles with incandescent lights, and they have collected their share of snow. (and they weren't on a Jeep) So you have to either have accessory lights or pull over now and then, safely, so clean them off. I have had my windshield collect snow too, even with wipers going. Gotta pull over to clear that too...or should I have filed a lawsuit over it, or asked for a recall. Now that's ridiculous.

Nothing to disagree with...its a fact.

Everyone has the EXACT same led's, every person has the exact same result in the snow.

It's a fact not an opinion.

 

[KnG818]

What is your explanation for this then?

The leds get COMPLETELY covered...my jk did same. However that small clear circle was enough to emit light.

The leds get blocked entirely

 

[KnG818]

Wow. You must not have read my response, or you simply don't like when someone disagrees with you...
ANY headlight can and will get snow on it in the right conditions - it's not related to LEDs. I have had plenty of nighttime driving in the snow (I actually prefer night driving to day driving) in vehicles with incandescent lights, and they have collected their share of snow. (and they weren't on a Jeep) So you have to either have accessory lights or pull over now and then, safely, so clean them off. I have had my windshield collect snow too, even with wipers going. Gotta pull over to clear that too...or should I have filed a lawsuit over it, or asked for a recall. Now that's ridiculous.

Bahahahahaaaaa I just noticed you live in CALIFORNIA

 

[Durango]

Nothing to disagree with...its a fact.

Everyone has the EXACT same led's, every person has the exact same result in the snow.

It's a fact not an opinion.

Wow - everyone? As I said, I've had different results with incandescents - that's a fact. You're making a lot of assumptions.

 

[Durango]

Bahahahahaaaaa I just noticed you live in CALIFORNIA

Again - assumptions. I have driven in the snow extensively with incandescents in other states and in Canada - and BTW, also in CA which, let's see, had twenty-plus feet of snow in places last winter.

 

[KnG818]

Wow - everyone? As I said, I've had different results with incandescents - that's a fact. You're making a lot of assumptions.

Who is talking about incandescent lights?! Lol

 

[Durango]

Who is talking about incandescent lights?! Lol

I thought the claim was that LEDs being cooler were somehow at fault for letting snow build up where other lights don't - hence my point about incandescents which are hotter than LEDs. I will say I don't have experience with Halogens in snow - maybe they're hot enough to keep snow from building up - although other posts here indicate they aren't?
Whatever.

 

[KnG818]

I thought the claim was that LEDs being cooler were somehow at fault for letting snow build up where other lights don't - hence my point about incandescents which are hotter than LEDs. I will say I don't have experience with Halogens in snow - maybe they're hot enough to keep snow from building up - although other posts here indicate they aren't?
Whatever.

I don't even know what your talking about anymore.

Halogens and incandescent are the same thing

Good luck dude nice talking w yuh

 

[bkgray115]

wow that was easy! 15 min fully installed and has a ton of pressure. only prob is I need to adjust the spray a bit up or find diff sprayers.

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