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Just shared you video on facebook along with the various welding, steering, and trackbar threads and some pics emploring friends to make this viral.
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If you shared it from the JL owners group, I doubt it will show up outside of that group.Just shared you video on facebook along with the various welding, steering, and trackbar threads and some pics emploring friends to make this viral.
As a CWI, what is your ideal resolution by FCA? Are you worried these welds are not structurally sound and may fail or are they acceptable?As a CWI, I checked my frame welds and found a lot of weld discontinuities and these are just the ones I have access to and can see. As for the frame being an integral part of the jeep these welds should be sound and complete. For a $50,000+ Jeep, I didn't think I would have to QC my own vehicle.
Looking on this forum I see two track bars failures with a possible third, I do have the X marked over my track bar like others do, but was that the only thing they looked at on these frames.
Going have to make an appointment with my dealer but I have vacations coming up where I need the Jeep.
FYI, Jeep was built first week in July.
Here are some of the weld discontinuities I found on my Jeep, I left a lot of photos out as it was starting to get repetitive.
I also had a CWI review my vehicle. He found the same issues are you pointed out, then some.As a CWI, I checked my frame welds and found a lot of weld discontinuities and these are just the ones I have access to and can see. As for the frame being an integral part of the jeep these welds should be sound and complete. For a $50,000+ Jeep, I didn't think I would have to QC my own vehicle.
Looking on this forum I see two track bars failures with a possible third, I do have the X marked over my track bar like others do, but was that the only thing they looked at on these frames.
Going have to make an appointment with my dealer but I have vacations coming up where I need the Jeep.
FYI, Jeep was built first week in July.
Here are some of the weld discontinuities I found on my Jeep, I left a lot of photos out as it was starting to...
The Tower engineer that I spoke with said welding gavlanized frames is "a beast of a job." He also said, they are having to use different welding processes with the JL frames compared to the JKs.Why can’t they get it correct? Is it due to the galvanized steel? Due to the robot programming?
When setting up their production, wouldn’t they have reworked the stations to improve the quality?
Are the samples we are seeing on this forum just early frames? Guessing not.
Quite alright! I think, at the end of the day, we just all want safe vehicles, and for any owner's to be safe. Simple as that for me anyway.The Tower engineer that I spoke with said welding gavlanizes frames is "a beast of a job." He also said, they are having to use different welding processes with the JL frames compared to the JKs.
He said porosity and orange discoloration is a byproduct of material the frame is coated in.
He said (in my case) the robot calibration was off (obviously).
I've heard from another source that the "problem frames" were built in November.
I'm sure I've repeated myself in different threads. But I just want to get what little information I have, out to you guys.
I do want to apologize for generalities and not having more specific information. It was a lot to take in, especially in a short amount of time and not being prepared to speak with the engineer.
Well , you are more qualified than whomever they had . Very informative for everyone .For a $50,000+ Jeep, I didn't think I would have to QC my own vehicle.
As a CWI, what is your ideal resolution by FCA? Are you worried these welds are not structurally sound and may fail or are they acceptable?
Oh man on top of the bullsh#t calling out someone by his real name, it seems somewhat high risk to engage in personally calling out customers on an online community forum when it is obviously known now that you work for or have some relationship with FCA or Jeep brand. I cannot imagine FCA would find that best practice. We don't know you personally but there are not many people in this world whose continued employment is more important to a big corporation than the corporation's PR image and this is not a good look for them.
Anyway, I am no welding expert. I have literally ZERO knowledge about welding. I do however know that the side steps I ordered have welds that look like 48.5 times better quality than all of the welds posted here, and all they are supposed to do is support the weight of my little girls. These welds are unacceptable. This JL should be replaced and upgraded at no cost. Period.
As for my ideal resolution, I would need to have their inspectors/engineers look over it and for them to determine what course of action to take and get these fixed.
From a weld inspector standpoint I would like to know the welding code Jeep uses to weld these frames and then inspect those welds to that code. Doubt they would release that information.
That was what my CWI could find. I imagine that it might be different. But there are manufacturer standards and there are, I believe, automotive standards for welds on vehicles. We referenced what was found online tucked away in some PDF doc from an FCA steel/galvanized materials specifications sheet. But would be nice to find more current documentation regarding these particular, ~40%+ galvanized frames.Porosity spec?
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FCA spec is 6.4mm (sum of diameters) per 25mm of weld
What is this galvanized stuff , and how does that affect welds ?That was what my CWI could find. I imagine that it might be different. But there are manufacturer standards and there are, I believe, automotive standards for welds on vehicles. We referenced what was found online tucked away in some PDF doc from an FCA steel/galvanized materials specifications sheet. But would be nice to find more current documentation regarding these particular, ~40%+ galvanized frames.