How much????? Insanity

[Notorious]

Get some good walking shoes and skip the tesla.

It snow problem.

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[S2k Chris]

Why is the thought of these Wrangler variants having a large sales price a shock or surprise? The tech, from concept to reality, is a very long and expensive endeavor. Money has to come from somewhere.

honestly at this point hybrid tech, especially at this level of range, is not particularly advanced tech. There is a bit of magic in installing it in a Wrangler due to preserving the off-road capability, but otherwise it’s not much different than the Prius which has been running around since 2004 or whatever.

at any rate, it appears that some credible guys say the prices shown are BS, and that post seems to have disappeared off FB, so if I spread false info my apologies, that’s why I caveated it up front.

 

[Notorious]

that’s why I caveated it up front.

Fair enough.

I poke my head around the forum and some in the 392 threads can’t wrap their minds around high premiums from the factory.

Jeep’s forte isn’t hybrids or even electric vehicles. Retooling a plant can easily cost close to a billion dollars. The R&D that goes into making these things can go into the tens of millions.

As a sidebar, Fiat has plenty of experience with stuffing HEMI engines into their family of vehicles. I would expect the asking price of the HEMI 392 to be slightly less than the 4XE.

The dealers on this forum and in this thread know more about pricing than me and I will be happy to be wrong on expense.

 

[Pappy06]

This from IRS Code 30D: Just to manage expectation.

For vehicles acquired after December 31, 2009, the credit is equal to $2,500 plus, for a vehicle which draws propulsion energy from a battery with at least 5 kilowatt hours of capacity, $417, plus an additional $417 for each kilowatt hour of battery capacity in excess of 5 kilowatt hours. The total amount of the credit allowed for a vehicle is limited to $7,500.

The credit begins to phase out for a manufacturer’s vehicles when at least 200,000 qualifying vehicles have been sold for use in the United States (determined on a cumulative basis for sales after December 31, 2009). For additional information see Notice 2009-89.

So, with a 17kwh capacity the “full” amount of the tax credit fir the 4xe would be around $4k.

 

[stylett9]

There’s no way jeep can price them that high, baring dealer markups. My educated guess is expect to see it priced on par with a diesel.

 

[Pappy06]

Whoops I see a mistake. It’s 417!dollars per kWh AFTER the 5kwh and not “per 5 kWh”. So it would be meet the 7500 veil.

 

[Fusilli Jerry]

Yeah if that was $60k normally I’d expect $68-70k for the 4xe. This is like a $20k premium.

BUT IT HAS ALL THE TORX AND GAS SAVINS

 

[Fusilli Jerry]

Thy are f***g crazy. Did they sniff coke with hundred dollars bill? It is a plain insult considering all the quality control issues they have It is not a Mercedes or Audi and never be. And i owned a q5 and 5 wranglers.......Plus the experience you have at Audi dealer is not the one redneck one u have at jeep's where u have to fight with nails out to get shit done. Period. I would NOT pay that amount even if i was a millionaire just by principle. But ppl are free to do anything they want with their money. Hopefully they are not coming to this forum crying out loud they paid $80k+ and something is not working.....Helloooo its a jeep not an Audi.

Buying one of these overcomplicated jeeps now is like buying a PS5 on eBay.

 

[S2k Chris]

Buying one of these overcomplicated jeeps now is like buying a PS5 on eBay.

thats why I lease. Pretty cheap monthly outlay, and after 3yrs/30k miles I can hand it back to Jeep. Never out of warranty. I work from home so I don’t drive that much anyways. Can’t go crazy with the mods but that’s not really my style. And you get the new Jeep smell every 3 years.

 

[JandS]

Buying one of these overcomplicated jeeps now is like buying a PS5 on eBay.

Funny. This is what the CJ owners said when the first Wrangler was introduced, and what every subsequent generation of Wrangler owner has said.

The world is going to move on whether you want it to or not. EVs are the future and hybrids are the bridge to that.

Fair enough.

I poke my head around the forum and some in the 392 threads can’t wrap their minds around high premiums from the factory.

Jeep’s forte isn’t hybrids or even electric vehicles. Retooling a plant can easily cost close to a billion dollars. The R&D that goes into making these things can go into the tens of millions.

As a sidebar, Fiat has plenty of experience with stuffing HEMI engines into their family of vehicles. I would expect the asking price of the HEMI 392 to be slightly less than the 4XE.

The dealers on this forum and in this thread know more about pricing than me and I will be happy to be wrong on expense.

The flip side of that is that FCA is currently spending billions each year on CAFE credits. Each 392 has to have that priced in, as does each 4XE, thus the actual build cost of the vehicles changes significantly.

 

[JandS]

Forbes was guessing $4000. I spent an evening doing a lot of number crunching against other vehicles that had both gas and PHEV versions. Considering the price of the battery and equipment, I came up with $4500. So I came pretty close to Forbes. I sort of expect $5500. But with the $7500 federal tax credit, it still comes out pretty descent.

I've spent a lot of time looking at data and specs compared to pricing across the industry. I've also spent a lot of time going over the specs that have been released on the Wrangler 4XE. There were a lot of things Jeep could have done to add to the price of the vehicle. While they haven't made it cheap, they have done a number of things to keep the price in check. They could have done a bigger battery but they put one in just big enough to qualify for the full $7500 without going too big. They could have put in a bigger DC to DC converter. They could have done a larger electric motor and scaled back the gas engine. There were all sorts of things they COULD have done but I have a feeling someone put a dollar figure on the white board early on and instructed the team to stay under it.

I have felt for months that Jeep NEEDS the Wrangler 4XE to sell. They were already paying CAFE fines. I don't think the 392 would even be a possibility without the 4XE. They need those CAFE numbers to go down and the Wrangler 4XE helps. When the Renegade 4XE and Compass 4XE come to the states, that will help even more.

I expect the premium to be between $4,000 and $7,500.

Keep in mind that, once the credit expires (likely 18-24 months), the price of a 4XE will be that much more. This should help insulate resale values.

 

[S2k Chris]

I expect the premium to be between $4,000 and $7,500.

Keep in mind that, once the credit expires (likely 18-24 months), the price of a 4XE will be that much more. This should help insulate resale values.

they have to sell a lot before the credit expires (1M?). Also, the price can go up, but in typical Jeep fashion by then there will be money on The hood, and the tech will have gotten a bit cheaper.

 

[Fusilli Jerry]

Funny. This is what the CJ owners said when the first Wrangler was introduced, and what every subsequent generation of Wrangler owner has said.

The world is going to move on whether you want it to or not. EVs are the future and hybrids are the bridge to that.



The flip side of that is that FCA is currently spending billions each year on CAFE credits. Each 392 has to have that priced in, as does each 4XE, thus the actual build cost of the vehicles changes significantly.

Not what I said at all.

Price comes down as tech becomes more available. Like flat-screen tvs.

Unclench your asscheeks and relax, Dr. Luddite Hunter.

 

[Pappy06]

they have to sell a lot before the credit expires (1M?). Also, the price can go up, but in typical Jeep fashion by then there will be money on The hood, and the tech will have gotten a bit cheaper.

200,000

 

[Chris Hall]

This from IRS Code 30D: Just to manage expectation.

For vehicles acquired after December 31, 2009, the credit is equal to $2,500 plus, for a vehicle which draws propulsion energy from a battery with at least 5 kilowatt hours of capacity, $417, plus an additional $417 for each kilowatt hour of battery capacity in excess of 5 kilowatt hours. The total amount of the credit allowed for a vehicle is limited to $7,500.

The credit begins to phase out for a manufacturer’s vehicles when at least 200,000 qualifying vehicles have been sold for use in the United States (determined on a cumulative basis for sales after December 31, 2009). For additional information see Notice 2009-89.

So, with a 17kwh capacity the “full” amount of the tax credit fir the 4xe would be around $4k.

It’s $2500 + $417 + 5004. It actually comes out to $7921 but the cap is $7500. Anything in the neighborhood of 17kWH and above qualifies for the full amount. The Chrysler Pacifica PHEV has a 16kWh battery and it qualifies for the full amount. The Ford Escape PHEV only has a 14.4 kWH and only qualifies for $6843. The Toyota Prius Prime has an 8.8 kWh and only qualifies for $4,502.

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