ESS Class Action Litigation?

[BXFXJeep]

Don't need class action, need AG lawsuits, and throw some of these people in jail, ESS is just a small part of the larger ESG scheme to defraud the people and worse manipulate masses.

One of the clowns that cooked up an ESG scheme to pressure and penalize American companies is no other than the new Canadian prime minister Carney and his GFANZ scam

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...-and-vanguard-illegally-conspiring-manipulate

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[jav_eee]

This person got $3k dollars while the lawyers made off with millions. https://www.yahoo.com/autos/4-years-chrysler-settles-minivan-162600099.html

 

[SlickRicksWilly]

Screw the money. I think any and all lawsuits should not include a monetary value. They should include strictly prison time with no exceptions. I bet people think twice before they do stupid things if it involves them going to federal pound me in the @$$ prison for 10 years minimum. These lawsuits happen and no one feels it, the company does but the C-suite folks feel the same as if I had a quarter drop out of my pocket. Give them 10 years in federal prison with Bubba, I bet they make smarter choices.

While I like this sentiment who is ultimately to blame? Engineers and essentially nobody knows the issues until after long enough time spent testing, the government incentives the use of this technology, should they be in prison? Who told the government it was good idea? Does that person go to prison. If I was the first person with the idea for the ASS system am I to blame just for having the idea?

 

[Mguy]

Postings on this forum about class actions and lawyers are often interesting and entertaining (and sometimes factual) but I think this thread deserves a more focused discussion.

Aside from the expected inconvenience of ESS, JLs with alternators have suffered from the two battery system. If posts and accounts on this forum are to be believed, Jeep engineers dreamed up this inherently flawed electrical scheme just because during an ESS restart some owners, of some models, might sometimes hear an unwelcomed noise on their music systems. Not just paying for this foolish implementation of a non-mandated EPA concept, Jeep owners were forced to undertake countless unnecessary battery replacements, and worse--some needed a jump to get home.

Are class action remedies appropriate? I don't know, but I'd like acknowledgement from Jeep. How about battery warranty extensions, free software installation for latching ESS shutoff, and explicit acceptance of single battery conversion for allowance of warranty and extended service plans?

To be clear, I'm a Jeep fan. It's about time for Jeep to do right on their own without having to get lawyers and courts involved.

 

[AlgUSF]

Forget lemonlawexperts.com, I'm calling John Morgan of Morgan and Morgan ....for the people

 

[calemasters]

I have no problem with ESS. It NEVER works. Message always reads "Battery Charging".

 

[Nitehawk92]

Here's a link to the action against Honda: https://lemonlawexperts.com/honda-idle-stop-class-action-lawsuit/

Thinking more broadly, class action litigation should/would name these categories of defendants and litigation issues:

1. EPA and other federal and state government departments who supported ESS;
2. Environmental lobbyists;
3. Federal and state legislators;
4. ESS designers and engineers;
5. Major vehicle brand manufacturers;
6. ESS component manufacturers.

Litigation issues:
a)Defendants failed to consider the extent of negative environmental impacts caused by manufacture and operation of ESS vehicle systems, including but not limited to extra / unnecessary manufacturing and assembly costs (extra on-board batteries, wiring, connectors, etc.)
b) Additional / unnecessary costs made vehicle purchases more expensive for consumers;
c) Additional / unnecessary operating/maintenance costs for owners/operators, notably earlier failure of starter motors due to unnecessarily frequent engine restarts, requiring very expensive replacement costs;
d) Additional complexity leading to unsafe emotional anger/anguish and increasing fatigue for operators;
e) Disrespectfully irritating owners/operators.

Please add more...

Class Action Lawsuits only make the lawyers involved rich. By the time the lawyers take there cut, the plaintiffs might get $50 or so...

 

[rk911]

It would be interesting to see what would happen to class action lawsuits if the law firms were restricted to charging no more than 10% of the total settlement value.

and....loser pays the attorney's fees for the winning side. That would halt a LOT of frivilous lawsuits.

 

[Opus]

 

[alphawolff]

Don’t get me wrong I don’t like ESS. But it isn’t technically a defect that was hidden from the consumer prior to purchase. Caveat Emptor and all that.

The defect is the massive reduction in engine-start reliability. I've repaired plenty of our vehicles that shut off at a red light for ESS then just don't restart. In the JL it's usually a blown z-case fuse. In the compass it's a BCM software issue. In the Pacifica it's a failed PCR. Lots and lots of different failure points with these systems, not even including mechanical wear, nor including the safety implications of a delayed re-start.

It also destroys battery life which is probably the most obvious cost of using ESS.

I have no problem with ESS. It NEVER works. Message always reads "Battery Charging".

You should probably address that before you're left stranded with a dead battery.

 

[Ratbert]

I have no problem with ESS. It NEVER works. Message always reads "Battery Charging".

It's trying to tell you that something's wrong with that part of your electrical system. Consider having it looked at, preferably before your warranty expires.

 

[Terrymo]

The defect is the massive reduction in engine-start reliability. I've repaired plenty of our vehicles that shut off at a red light for ESS then just don't restart. In the JL it's usually a blown z-case fuse. In the compass it's a BCM software issue. In the Pacifica it's a failed PCR. Lots and lots of different failure points with these systems, not even including mechanical wear, nor including the safety implications of a delayed re-start.

It also destroys battery life which is probably the most obvious cost of using ESS.


You should probably address that before you're left stranded with a dead battery.

I have no disagreement with what you’re saying. Just that the overall negative consequence ( not each individual consequence) of ESS was not hidden from the consumer willing to look into it prior to purchase.

 

[Timmyjoe]

I truly don't understand all this whining about ESS. I installed a SMART StartStop the first week we had our new Wrangler back in 2019, and haven't thought about ESS since. Back then the modules were like $79. They're a bit more expensive now, but still, come on people, if you don't like ESS, just freakin disable it. And stop whining about it.

Best,
-Tim

 

[AlgUSF]

I have no problem with ESS. It NEVER works. Message always reads "Battery Charging".

Mine said Start/Stop Not Ready for months. Replaced both batteries because of the "Aux Switches Temporarily Not Available While Battery Charging", now Start/Stop works again. Back to pressing the button.

I know that I can eliminate it, but it doesn't annoy me that much to press the button when I leave the gate of our subdivision.

 

[calemasters]

It's trying to tell you that something's wrong with that part of your electrical system. Consider having it looked at, preferably before your warranty expires.

You are correct. I will test both batteries as soon as possible.

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