ESS Class Action Litigation?

[ForestRanger]

Here's a link to the action against Honda: https://lemonlawexperts.com/honda-idle-stop-class-action-lawsuit/

Thinking more broadly, class action litigation should/would name these categories of defendants and litigation issues:

1. EPA and other federal and state government departments who supported ESS;
2. Environmental lobbyists;
3. Federal and state legislators;
4. ESS designers and engineers;
5. Major vehicle brand manufacturers;
6. ESS component manufacturers.

Litigation issues:
a)Defendants failed to consider the extent of negative environmental impacts caused by manufacture and operation of ESS vehicle systems, including but not limited to extra / unnecessary manufacturing and assembly costs (extra on-board batteries, wiring, connectors, etc.)
b) Additional / unnecessary costs made vehicle purchases more expensive for consumers;
c) Additional / unnecessary operating/maintenance costs for owners/operators, notably earlier failure of starter motors due to unnecessarily frequent engine restarts, requiring very expensive replacement costs;
d) Additional complexity leading to unsafe emotional anger/anguish and increasing fatigue for operators;
e) Disrespectfully irritating owners/operators.

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[Pape]

This is rather interesting.
ESS have a tendency to add extra wear on internal component. I have read somewhere that standard crankshaft bearing would not tolerate ESS for really longs.

If they are really serious about this, they need engine designer to the table and further more they should go with the full host of problematic compromise required to "save the planet"

We are at a point where engine longevity is affected by all the compromise who make the lifecycle of car shorter resulting in a lot of waste at all level. I think we are going at the issue the wrong way as what we save in pollution with the host of compromise we loose in the reduced lifecycle longevity.

My 0.02$

 

[Terrymo]

Join a class action lawsuit. You’ll get $10 or less. The attorneys will get richer.

 

[Pape]

I think at this point it is more about a push back on the practice than getting reparation.

 

[Wbino]

Victimhood 101.
waaa!
Call the waaambulance....

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Class action only benefits the attorneys. If you don't like ESS, then deactivate it. There are many ways to do it.

 

[Terrymo]

I think at this point it is more about a push back on the practice than getting reparation.

Don’t get me wrong I don’t like ESS. But it isn’t technically a defect that was hidden from the consumer prior to purchase. Caveat Emptor and all that.

 

[Pape]

Don’t get me wrong I don’t like ESS. But it isn’t technically a defect that was hidden from the consumer prior to purchase. Caveat Emptor and all that.

I think that is the whole point of the class action to push that ess is bad for consumer.

 

[TrailMax]

I think that is the whole point of the class action to push that ess is bad for consumer.

Often with the cases that people complain that the plaintiffs only receive a small amount, that is the entire point of the claim.

One of the common examples is the video rental place (outdated reference, but it works) that advertises that it does not charge any late fees, but when the consumer brings the tape back a few days late they get hit with "re-stocking fees."

Public policy can very well be to stop the store from taking advantage of customers, but it obviously is not going to be cost effective for each consumer to file a lawsuit over $10.00 of the late fees by another name, so you have a class action so that when you have a large number of plaintiffs the case is worth the cost of litigation to the plaintiffs and the defendants stop acting badly because they don't want to get hit again.

The lawyers can get paid well, but that is because they put in a great deal of hours and fronted the costs of litigating the lawsuit.

 

[Pape]

Often with the cases that people complain that the plaintiffs only receive a small amount, that is the entire point of the claim.

One of the common examples is the video rental place (outdated reference, but it works) that advertises that it does not charge any late fees, but when the consumer brings the tape back a few days late they get hit with "re-stocking fees."

Public policy can very well be to stop the store from taking advantage of customers, but it obviously is not going to be cost effective for each consumer to file a lawsuit over $10.00 of the late fees by another name, so you have a class action so that when you have a large number of plaintiffs the case is worth the cost of litigation to the plaintiffs and the defendants stop acting badly because they don't want to get hit again.

The lawyers can get paid well, but that is because they put in a great deal of hours and fronted the costs of litigating the lawsuit.

This:

I think at this point it is more about a push back on the practice than getting reparation.

 

[jaymz]

I'd prefer the Government to ban Class Action Suits before ESS.

 

[58Willys]

Greedy lawyers trying to make up crap they don’t understand.

 

[AndySpill]

With complete respect to @ForestRanger's expressed desire to see beyond the damages of the legal action he links, (which in my humble opinion won't sadly gain much traction--i.e. @ForestRanger's addition reasons, not the linked law suit, which may have some teeth), I'd just like to point out, having read the link and because I don't think it was raised yet in this thread, that the damages in that link center around the risk and dangers associated with vehicles not being able to re-crank themselves after an brake based (i.e. press on the brakes) engine stop event.

I haven't read much of Wrangler owners experiencing this. Perhaps in its fickleness to engage, particularly in dual AGM battery JLs, as much as I can cite many a reason why this system can stand design improvements, there is a benefit we don't talk about where *if it engages* there is extremely high probability that an engine re-crank will be successful at the termination of a start/stop event.

 

[Dusty Dude]

The lawyers can get paid well, but that is because they put in a great deal of hours and fronted the costs of litigating the lawsuit.

Their fronted “costs” is their billable hours of their time at a loan sharking rate. Hours where they were normally sitting idle at their regular “job”.

Ambulance chasing, pure and simple.

 

[Ratbert]

Join a class action lawsuit. You’ll get $10 or less. The attorneys will get richer.

Getting richer encourages attorneys to create even more class action lawsuits, feeding the cycle.

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