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My son bought an EV this summer, a Chevy Bolt. He lives in the snow belt and just changed from the traction less EV specific tires to winter tires with the special rubber compound and tread needed for snow and ice. The tires are the exact same size as the original tires, but they dropped his EV range by 50 miles.

He has to do a 300-mile one way trip for National Guard duty every month (600 miles total). In the Chevy Trax he owned previously it would take him 4 hours to drive 300 miles (80 mph speed limit). Now it takes him 10 hours to make that 300-mile drive. He can drive for 80 miles, then charge for 1 1/2 hours, then do that over again until he gets there. So, that makes for 20 hours of driving to make his 600-mile trip every month. He just texted me yesterday that he is going to trade in his EV and go back to gasoline.
That's odd. The Bolt has a range of 259 miles (real world closer to 200). DC fast charger takes a little over an hour to get a full charge (the standard charger is much slower). That said, this is why Tesla is eating all the other EV manufacturers for breakfast. 350-400+ mile range and making massive investments in their supercharger network.
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My son bought an EV this summer, a Chevy Bolt. He lives in the snow belt and just changed from the traction less EV specific tires to winter tires with the special rubber compound and tread needed for snow and ice. The tires are the exact same size as the original tires, but they dropped his EV range by 50 miles.

He has to do a 300-mile one way trip for National Guard duty every month (600 miles total). In the Chevy Trax he owned previously it would take him 4 hours to drive 300 miles (80 mph speed limit). Now it takes him 10 hours to make that 300-mile drive. He can drive for 80 miles, then charge for 1 1/2 hours, then do that over again until he gets there. So, that makes for 20 hours of driving to make his 600-mile trip every month. He just texted me yesterday that he is going to trade in his EV and go back to gasoline.
Yeah, that use case doesn't really make sense. He would be better off renting a car for a trip that long. I mean, people have to really understand their use cases and see if it fits how they intend to use it. The state of charging infrastructure is really, really far behind the rate of EV adoption - unless you are in certain states.

I love my 4XE and my use case fits it perfectly, but I am not ready to go full electric for reasons like your son experienced and the lack of infrastructure to charge it. At least with a 4XE I still have the exact same 2.0 engine that the other JL's have and am not worried about range or finding chargers.

Guy in my neighborhood has a Tesla and my nosybutt doesn't see one of those Tesla wall charger things in his garage, so I am assuming he charges with the regular 110V. I guess if you are charging each night, just what you expended that day, then it will be fine, but I am not ready to have to plan my long-distance trip around which chargers I can access along the way.

One thing that happens too frequently is if there are even chargers around, it is almost 50/50 if they are even working.
 

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Yeah I could do with a plug in hybrid if it gets at least 50 mile range, my daily commute is 40 round trip, can charge in garage overnight, sometimes at work too. But hopefully my '21 Sahara will keep going into the 2030's...already did the CF2 upgrade, got a small lift and true 33's to go on in the spring, also adding Bilstein 5100's and the longer Mopar LCA's while I'm messing with it...
I think 50 miles a charge is a nice round number and would certainly beat the other PHEV's out there right now. Course you have to realize that if Jeep was able to get 50 miles out of it, there would be folks that say, "If only it got 75 miles then I would buy one". so the goalposts get moved out each time. This isn't necessarily a bad thing and drives innovation.

You bring up a more important point though and that is around your daily commute. I think far too often we have people complain about the total range and the concern about taking long trips - which is certainly a real concern. I have complained many times about the lack of infrastructure and incentives for businesses to install a charger. Why the grocery stores in my town (where you would assume someone would be shopping for a decent amount of time to get some charge), I will never know.

There was a lot of research done on the amount of daily driving when Jeep and others were looking for that sweet spot in terms of range and that is why they came up with the range they did for the 4XE. Obviously, the form factor plays a role along with SWaP.

But to your point, I think if A. more people's daily commute could be within the battery's range and B. people had a way of charging at work (while the vehicle is just sitting there), it would be an easier adoption. The total range wouldn't play at all in long-distance driving - you would use the ICE for that like us current 4XE owners do today.

In my case, my driving to town and back is almost always within the battery's range. I use more energy to heat the cab now that it is cold and that takes away some of my range, but it is pretty neat to go to town and back with a cold engine! :)
 

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That's odd. The Bolt has a range of 259 miles (real world closer to 200). DC fast charger takes a little over an hour to get a full charge (the standard charger is much slower). That said, this is why Tesla is eating all the other EV manufacturers for breakfast. 350-400+ mile range and making massive investments in their supercharger network.
He says he charges to 85% charge, because charging that last 15% takes much longer. He also recharges when her gets down to 1/4 battery range left. When you live in the western US and charging stations are not as common it isn't a good idea to drive until the battery is completely drained, and then try to find a charging station. So, first of all, that claimed 259 mile range is BS, and secondly, it isn't practical to expect to get what is considered the full range out of it.
 
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Didn't read all 4 pages, but NEVER for me! I'll just go back to Toyota if I have too. I have range anxiety with my leaf blowers!! Where I live and how I drive will never fit the EV idea. I wish they would stop cramming it down our throats.

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:facepalm: Needed a lawn mower- have home solar because PG&E can’t reliably keep the power on now, so got electric. Suffered Range Anxiety since my first mow when it barely finished the front, wait for recharge, Almost got the back done, recharge for the last little bit. Regret not being able to add a pint of gas and finish. ? ….. I have been accused of Blind Hatred of EV’s, Wrong— it’s for the way they are being ….. Shoved Up Our A$$.
 

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Ahhh, the hybrid is optional. I thought it was standard.
But is standard on the LC 58 that I’m considering as a 15 GCSRT replacement. Damnit, Here We Go Again. Repeat
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I haven’t caved yet….. but weakening. ?
 
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I'm waiting for our california electrical prices to keep increasing at the rate they have for the past 20 years, everyone going to EV wait till you pay 600+ a month for not even running the AC during the day. I live in california this is already a reality for a lot.
I freely admit to accepting the ~ $14,000 bribe, er Tax Credit, uh Incentive, umm Rebate for home solar, the bill is typically less than $20. Proving, yea, I can be bought. ?
 

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My son bought an EV this summer, a Chevy Bolt. He lives in the snow belt and just changed from the traction less EV specific tires to winter tires with the special rubber compound and tread needed for snow and ice.

The tires are the exact same size as the original tires, but they dropped his EV range by 50 miles.
The OEM rubber on my wife's Honda were Bridgestone Ecopias. My wife is a tire connoisseur of sorts, and couldn't wait until the tread was worn down to ~3/32nds so that we could replace them. She'd have done it much sooner, but good tires are a four figure expense, and thus a household capital expenditure, meaning unanimous agreement is required before the check is written. Since such agreement wasn't forthcoming from me, because the tires weren't defective, she had to use them up first. Admittedly, they weren't the most impressive tire we've ever used, but they worked and so they stuck around.

Anyway, the Ecopias were replaced with Michelin Cross Climate 2s. Those tires, while providing better traction in inclement weather and a quieter ride, were also just heavier enough in comparison to their predecessors that her average MPG decreased by maybe 2 MPG on the top side. We expected that, going in, and your comment about the Volt's reduced range with winter rubber reminded me of this reality.


...never full EV.

Pretty sure many are in my camp considering that 3000 dealers just sent a letter to the White House to ask that they stop with the unreasonable mandates. They have lots full of cars they can't even get people to test drive let alone sell.
On the issue of electric vehicle mandates, it would be neat to observe the auto manufacturers taking a page out of the Civil Disobedience rulebook, in a manner identical to what the medical/recreational marijuana industry has done:
What is unambiguously illegal at the Federal level is utterly No-F*cks-Given at the State level, in those jurisdictions where medical and/or recreational pot has been made legal. Let's see how Uncle Sugar reacts when the OEMs collectively say, "Molon Labe our gasoline-powered vehicles!"

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Jeep is still working out the kinks on the JL…
That would imply they are actually trying to fix issues instead of just raking in more sales and kicking the can down the road.
 
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The OEM rubber on my wife's Honda were Bridgestone Ecopias. My wife is a tire connoisseur of sorts, and couldn't wait until the tread was worn down to ~3/32nds so that we could replace them. She'd have done it much sooner, but good tires are a four figure expense, and thus a household capital expenditure, meaning unanimous agreement is required before the check is written. Since such agreement wasn't forthcoming from me, because the tires weren't defective, she had to use them up first. Admittedly, they weren't the most impressive tire we've ever used, but they worked and so they stuck around.

Anyway, the Ecopias were replaced with Michelin Cross Climate 2s. Those tires, while providing better traction in inclement weather and a quieter ride, were also just heavier enough in comparison to their predecessors that her average MPG decreased by maybe 2 MPG on the top side. We expected that, going in, and your comment about the Volt's reduced range with winter rubber reminded me of this reality.



On the issue of electric vehicle mandates, it would be neat to observe the auto manufacturers taking a page out of the Civil Disobedience rulebook, in a manner identical to what the medical/recreational marijuana industry has done:
What is unambiguously illegal at the Federal level is utterly No-F*cks-Given at the State level, in those jurisdictions where medical and/or recreational pot has been made legal. Let's see how Uncle Sugar reacts when the OEMs collectively say, "Molon Labe our gasoline-powered vehicles!"

Stranger things have happened.
I learned the hard way and will not buy high dollar high mileage Michelin’s again. With a couple years of tread left DT refused to repair due to age. ?
 

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I learned the hard way and will not buy high dollar high mileage Michelin’s again. With a couple years of tread left DT refused to repair due to age. ?
Sorry to read about that, Mike. I'm a Michelin fan boy, and have had nothing but a good experience with the brand. Granted, none of what I've used were constructed or sold as a economy/mileage-based tire.
 
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Sorry to read about that, Mike. I'm a Michelin fan boy, and have had nothing but a good experience with the brand.
They were too good, lasted forever on my 210K mi 4R. It did piss me off when DT refused to repair after hitting an arbitrary date, had I got the flat a couple weeks earlier they would have honored their free repair, I had to go elsewhere and pay until new tires when given to my grandson. ?
 

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They were too good, lasted forever on my 210K mi 4R. It did piss me off when DT refused to repair after hitting an arbitrary date, had I got the flat a couple weeks earlier they would have honored their free repair, I had to go elsewhere and pay until new tires when given to my grandson. ?
That reminds me that I should have mentioned my use case:
Every vehicle that wears Michelin shoes here does get recurringly driven, in a manner that radically reduces the likelihood that the tires will age out with treadwear still remaining (IOW, before they're worn down to the point of replacement.)

Yes, in my experience, quality tires do last a long time, so I can understand why the seller had to draw a line somewhere. That's just the way it goes sometimes.
 

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Scenario:

You push your luck and run out of gas on the road, you walk a few miles or maybe hitch a ride to get a gallon of gas.

What the heck do you do with a full EV under the same circumstances? Plug a solar panel into it?

You KNOW people are, or maybe have already been doing this to themselves in their full EV's...it's human nature ?
 
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That reminds me that I should have mentioned my use case:
Every vehicle that wears Michelin shoes here does get recurringly driven, in a manner that radically reduces the likelihood that the tires will age out with treadwear still remaining (IOW, before they're worn down to the point of replacement.)

Yes, in my experience, quality tires do last a long time, so I can understand why the seller had to draw a line somewhere. That's just the way it goes sometimes.
I went from a 125 mi commute to retirement . Swore I would never buy high dollar tires again, Uh, the 35/12.50 Toyo’s I replaced the like new 285/70 KO2’s with proved me a liar. ??‍♂
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