2-door electric Wrangler?

[doublethebass]

I'm the only one in my family who hasn't owned a Jeep yet, so it's on my short list.....they'll have to keep the 2-door when they go full battery electric, right? I'd settle for relatively short range to stay away from the 4-door. Already have a Tacoma and we're picking up a minivan later this year. The Jeep's just gonna be for me ?

I've seen all the Magneto hype and the corporate powerpoint on the 4xe and BEV powertrain timelines, but it all seems too far out to have much detail. Anybody on here got a line on a BEV timeline and configurations?

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[Deleted member 59498]

By 2025, if the 2 door still exist. Jeep said all Jeeps will have electric option.

 

[multicam]

By 2025, if the 2 door still exist. Jeep said all Jeeps will have electric option.

Yeah, well… that statement can be interpreted however the hell jeep corporate wants it to be. You could argue the wrangler is already electrified because of the 4xE, you could argue that doesn’t count because jeep considers the Wrangler and Wrangler Unlimited two separate models, you could argue the 2-door is already electrified because the mild hybrid E-Torque exists…

This is the beauty of making vague promises that no one has to hold you to. Suits at auto manufacturers are professionals at this type of double-speak.

The truth is no one on these forums knows and if they do, they won’t disclose that information for fear of violating an NDA or a clause in their employment contract.

I’d bet the two door will stick around for a long, long time. It would be a PR nightmare to ditch it even if it isn’t nearly as profitable as the Unlimited. But I wouldn’t hold my breath for a 200-300 mile BEV version. Could be a while.

 

[Deleted member 59498]

Well that is the reason I said Jeep said and not I said. I am not arguing with any of it just passing on to the guy that asked the question and what Jeep released.

 

[multicam]

Well that is the reason I said Jeep said and not I said. I am not arguing with any of it just passing on to the guy that asked the question and what Jeep released.

I get what you’re saying. I’m saying that jeep said things without saying anything meaningful whatsoever and we can’t draw any real conclusions from their non-committal corporate fluff.

 

[Deleted member 59498]

I always thought a 5.7 2door like the GC Trailhawk would have been sweet. Same price range, could have called it the 347 or something cool.

 

[bjm00se]

No one really knows, and no one has any inside information.

That said, for a BEV Wrangler to be viable you need AT LEAST 125kWh battery capacity, and realistically more like 200 kWh. Batteries still weigh in the neighborhood of 14/15 lbs per kWh. (The current 4xe battery pack is MUCH heavier than that per kWh) So you're looking at a bulky pack with a min weight of 1750 lbs.

Realistically - tell me you're shoehorning that into the 2 door?

Ain't happenin. Sorry. Does not pass the sniff test. Maybe after we uptake whatever the next generation of battery technology turns out to be, after Lithium Ion, the two door might be able to make a comeback.

If you want a two door to keep for the next decade, buy a gasser. Sorry.

 

[doublethebass]

No one really knows, and no one has any inside information.

That said, for a BEV Wrangler to be viable you need AT LEAST 125kWh battery capacity, and realistically more like 200 kWh. Batteries still weigh in the neighborhood of 14/15 lbs per kWh. (The current 4xe battery pack is MUCH heavier than that per kWh) So you're looking at a bulky pack with a min weight of 1750 lbs.

Realistically - tell me you're shoehorning that into the 2 door?

Ain't happenin. Sorry. Does not pass the sniff test. Maybe after we uptake whatever the next generation of battery technology turns out to be, after Lithium Ion, the two door might be able to make a comeback.

If you want a two door to keep for the next decade, buy a gasser. Sorry.

Why does the battery need to be so big? The mid sized Rivian battery is 135kWh (300+ mile range) and it’s a much bigger vehicle than a 2-door Wrangler. A battery half that size with half the range would be pretty great

The truth is no one on these forums knows and if they do, they won’t disclose that information for fear of violating an NDA or a clause in their employment contract.

Hey man don’t pop my bubble! Haha

 

[bjm00se]

Why does the battery need to be so big? The mid sized Rivian battery is 135kWh (300+ mile range) and it’s a much bigger vehicle than a 2-door Wrangler. A battery half that size with half the range would be pretty great

Excellent question.

By and large, folks have decided they won't purchase EVs with "tethered" range. There was a raft of "commuter" cars like the Nissan Leaf in the 2010 decade used as family "2nd" car commuter cars. (Hey, I have one!) But nobody seems to want limited range for their primary "freedom machine." And Wranglers are nothing if not a "freedom machine."

Also, the Rivian was designed ground-up to be an EV, and has a very low coefficient of drag, at 0.30, while the wrangler is a horrid shoebox of aerodynamic inefficiency at 0.45. There may be some improvements to be had, but it'll never go that low while maintaining some of the key design elements that folks associate with the "Wrangler" name. So a battery half that size in the wrangler would get even less than half the mileage range.

PS fun fact: according to both Car & Driver, and Sandy Munro, the Rivian battery weighs spot-on what I said above: 1750 lbs. So in getting 135 kWh storage out of that, they're already doing quite well!

 

[doublethebass]

Excellent question.

By and large, folks have decided they won't purchase EVs with "tethered" range. There was a raft of "commuter" cars like the Nissan Leaf in the 2010 decade used as family "2nd" car commuter cars. (Hey, I have one!) But nobody seems to want limited range for their primary "freedom machine." And Wranglers are nothing if not a "freedom machine."

Also, the Rivian was designed ground-up to be an EV, and has a very low coefficient of drag, at 0.30, while the wrangler is a horrid shoebox of aerodynamic inefficiency at 0.45. There may be some improvements to be had, but it'll never go that low while maintaining some of the key design elements that folks associate with the "Wrangler" name. So a battery half that size in the wrangler would get even less than half the mileage range.

PS fun fact: according to both Car & Driver, and Sandy Munro, the Rivian battery weighs spot-on what I said above: 1750 lbs. So in getting 135 kWh storage out of that, they're already doing quite well!

I still hope they do it. I think you're right, but I think the range anxiety is overhyped. Tesla's the only game in town with a reliable charging network that takes that problem our of contention. Hopefully by the time a BEV Wrangler rolls out the ability to charge reliably will be better.

Either way, a full electric Jeep with the top down sounds like the perfect vehicle for bombing around town.

 

[bjm00se]

I do think the Recon, from what little we've seen of it, will be pretty cool.

https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g41108713/2024-jeep-recon-wagoneer-ev-revealed-gallery/

 

[Old Jeeper]

Yeah, well… that statement can be interpreted however the hell jeep corporate wants it to be. You could argue the wrangler is already electrified because of the 4xE, you could argue that doesn’t count because jeep considers the Wrangler and Wrangler Unlimited two separate models, you could argue the 2-door is already electrified because the mild hybrid E-Torque exists…

This is the beauty of making vague promises that no one has to hold you to. Suits at auto manufacturers are professionals at this type of double-speak.

The truth is no one on these forums knows and if they do, they won’t disclose that information for fear of violating an NDA or a clause in their employment contract.

I’d bet the two door will stick around for a long, long time. It would be a PR nightmare to ditch it even if it isn’t nearly as profitable as the Unlimited. But I wouldn’t hold my breath for a 200-300 mile BEV version. Could be a while.

Well we got GM investing $850 MILLION in a new ICE V 8, wonder why?


Toyota Investing In ICE By Spending $383 Million On Four-Cylinder Engine The engines will be for combustion-only vehicles

EV is NOT ready for prime time and I doubt it ever will be for anyone but city dwellers.

 

[doublethebass]

I do think the Recon, from what little we've seen of it, will be pretty cool.

https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g41108713/2024-jeep-recon-wagoneer-ev-revealed-gallery/

yep, this give me hope

Well we got GM investing $850 MILLION in a new ICE V 8, wonder why?


Toyota Investing In ICE By Spending $383 Million On Four-Cylinder Engine The engines will be for combustion-only vehicles

EV is NOT ready for prime time and I doubt it ever will be for anyone but city dwellers.

I wouldn't say ever, but it won't be overnight that's for sure. Good article on R&T today about it

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a...ll-in-on-evs-but-the-numbers-arent-adding-up/

 

[Northernlites]

If it doesn't have a gas tank, then it's truly a flash in the pan electric vehicle.

 

[Old Jeeper]

yep, this give me hope




I wouldn't say ever, but it won't be overnight that's for sure. Good article on R&T today about it

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a...ll-in-on-evs-but-the-numbers-arent-adding-up/

I am a serious advocate of Solar and EVs and have been for many many years, back to the 70s.

Here is the problem. The GOVT FAILS to understand either and the people making decisions don't even know where Solar energy comes from!!!

What this leads to is IMPLEMENTATION!!!

Solar: Works best at SMALL implementations. In 2011 I installed Solar and I reaped a savings of $3000 immediately...(know of anyone who has done Solar and did that???). About 10 years later my solar begin to fail, so I replaced it for a total cost of $130 buck, my initial cost was $60.

What was it? Main Gate opener on my ranch. The small panel was 10 watts and it got to where in cloudy days it could keep the car battery charged enough. Bought a 50-watt and a new battery.

How did I save $3000? Bid to run electric from my ranch house to the main gate, $3k just to run the wiring only due to the length of the road that led to the house.

Take Away: Small installations save BIG money. Large installs such as a home are nothing but a SCAM, there is very little savings. How little. My ranch house sat atop a hill, facing due South, my barn was 28x78 feet E-W orientation, wow can you say solar panels? Not a single Solar company could make a legit case for solar of my 3000 sq ft house. in the SHORT term yes, savings...but offset in the long term, lucky to break even.

As for EV cars that make a LOT of sense IF you live in the cities where your daily mileage is less than 100 mi per day. And you charge at home on 110 slow charges overnight. GREAT IDEA!

But not everyone lives inside city limits and drives less than 100 miles a day.

A typical 'go-to-town' day from my ranch was 124-175 miles in one day, the trip was required 2x a week and the county I live in is 30k folks and most of the live outside of City Limits on ranches, and its why I have a F 450 truck and 2 John Deers...starting to smell the coffee?

How much Solar do you see at the FEDERAL, State, County and City level? Almost none! Yet the Federal govt owns 650,000 autos and replacement rate is 50,000 per year and all are ICE! Starting to smell the coffee?

Yes a case of good for you but not for me!

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