E torque advice

[wmdavidson96]

New here. Bought a 2021 wrangler unlimited sport s 80th edition 3.6L V6 24v vvt e torque yesterday for my daughters sweet 16. Wrangler is her dream vehicle.

had my mechanic look it over. He is not familiar with the e torque and he actually advised against it and said you should take it back and find a plain V6. Otherwise the vehicle is mint per se.

hoping to hear some feedback from this forum on thoughts on e torque MGU etc. anything I need to worry about or cost wise? He mentioned it’s hard to find someone to repair if MGU goes bad and is very expensive. Thoughts? I have 14 days to return and can continue shopping if need be.

82k miles

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[Terrymo]

How many miles are on the vehicle? Anything etorque related has an 8 year 80k mile warranty. I wouldn’t take it back just because it’s an etorque.

 

[Gangplank]

I have a 2021 Willys V6 eTorque. About 50k miles on it and it’s great. I like the way it drives and it’s been all good maintenance wise for the 3 years I’ve owned it.

The eTorque system has an 8yr/80,000 warranty. You could also get an extended warranty on the whole jeep if you are concerned. Expensive & could be a waste of $$ but the piece of mind is worth it.

 

[somedude922]

I have a 2021 JLUR with 88K trouble free miles related to the E Torque system. I love it. smooth start stops, no cheesy auxiliary battery to deal with, which is what you would get if you have non e torque. That being said, I do wonder what will happen when the 48v battery gives up the goose.

I would keep it and buy an extended warranty. You are more likely to have a top end failure in the engine before an e torque problem.

 

[flyer92]

While I'd prefer to have no engine cutoff system whatsoever, I concur with all the previous comments and haven't had any issues with eTorque in my '21 Sport. I've never heard of anyone experiencing problems with that system and it appears to be among the most reliable, carefree systems in the JL. I'd even offer that the ESS on the "plain V6" comes with its own headaches related to the odd dual battery configuration and what happens when the little battery begins to fail. There are many more threads here about ESS problems than there are about eTorque failures, so I'd take a good look at those before dumping the eTorque.

 

[kjchristopher]

About 40k miles on my 2022 and no e-torque issues. I like how it behaves compared to the regular 3.6 in our other jeep.

 

[Mudduck]

The E-Torque and SGM have proven to be quite reliable. Issues are not unheard of, but they are one of the least reported that Ive seen. And, as others have stated, that system is under 8/80 warranty.

Gives a little more pep off the line too.

 

[Odyssey USA]

‘21 eTorque 3.6 here. 109k miles. Aside from my other issues, it’s been fine but, that said, would I rather not have it as I anticipate wear and tear at these higher miles? I’d rather not. Same situation. Everything was mint when I bought it used but it only had 3500 miles. We drive the heck out of our vehicles. As a very young man, I drove all over and easily put 20k-25k miles a year on my vehicles. The MGU and 48v battery are expensive. There’s a separate cooling system for the MGU and 48v battery which adds complexity and difficulty to repair so more labor cost to fix if it fails.

Again, it’s working fine. At almost 100kb miles I went ahead and replaced both belts and all wear item pulleys and it’s not a small job for a some DIY’ers. Not hard but a lot steps compared to older engines I’ve worked on. And if you don’t use start/stop to save wear and tear on the engine, there’s generally little to no benefit. My honest take. For perspective, I do much of my own work. Doing heads, head gaskets, & using cylinder head studs this time to try to add some long term reliability where it previously failed while being babied. I’d rather have things be more straight forward and less complex…better parts availability if there is a problem…so I can get back on the road and do Jeep stuff.

So if you could find another clean Wrangler, I’d recommend taking a look at it and give this one back if the other is also nice, it drives out well, & has maintenance records.

 

[flyer92]

‘21 eTorque 3.6 here. 109k miles. Aside from my other issues, it’s been fine but, that said, would I rather not have it as I anticipate wear and tear at these higher miles? I’d rather not. Same situation. Everything was mint when I bought it used but it only had 3500 miles. We drive the heck out of our vehicles. As a very young man, I drove all over and easily put 20k-25k miles a year on my vehicles. The MGU and 48v battery are expensive. There’s a separate cooling system for the MGU and 48v battery which adds complexity and difficulty to repair so more labor cost to fix if it fails.

Again, it’s working fine. At almost 100kb miles I went ahead and replaced both belts and all wear item pulleys and it’s not a small job for a some DIY’ers. Not hard but a lot steps compared to older engines I’ve worked on. And if you don’t use start/stop to save wear and tear on the engine, there’s generally little to no benefit. My honest take. For perspective, I do much of my own work. Doing heads, head gaskets, & using cylinder head studs this time to try to add some long term reliability where it previously failed while being babied. I’d rather have things be more straight forward and less complex…better parts availability if there is a problem…so I can get back on the road and do Jeep stuff.

So if you could find another clean Wrangler, I’d recommend taking a look at it and give this one back if the other is also nice, it drives out well, & has maintenance records.

I agree 100% about not having any engine shutoff system, whether eTorque or ESS. Unfortunately, JL owners are forced to have one of them, and the ongoing complaints about ESS in the fora indicate that it is much more problematic and costly than eTorque. Believe me, I'm not a fan boy for the system and wish I didn't have it, but it seems to be the lesser of two evils. All that said, I do think that ESS is cheaper and easier to bypass, but that still incurs a cost, requires a non-standard battery configuration, and could void certain warranty repairs.

It is important to note that OP's mechanic "is not familiar with eTorque," so of course his perspective is going to be more negative since he doesn't know much about it. Given the pros/cons with either system, I'd consider it a draw between the two and proceed with purchasing the JL if it's a good deal and has all the options that OP wants. In short...eTorque should not be a showstopper if everything else about the Jeep is good to go.

 

[Jeep Wick]

New here. Bought a 2021 wrangler unlimited sport s 80th edition 3.6L V6 24v vvt e torque yesterday for my daughters sweet 16. Wrangler is her dream vehicle.

had my mechanic look it over. He is not familiar with the e torque and he actually advised against it and said you should take it back and find a plain V6. Otherwise the vehicle is mint per se.

hoping to hear some feedback from this forum on thoughts on e torque MGU etc. anything I need to worry about or cost wise? He mentioned it’s hard to find someone to repair if MGU goes bad and is very expensive. Thoughts? I have 14 days to return and can continue shopping if need be.

You'll find many here love the etorque, including me. I had a 'plain' 3.6 before and was afraid of what I didn't know. It's a great system and only 2 major parts. The BSG is a glorified alternator and there is a small 48v bolt battery under the frame. It also does the start/stop feature, but that can be turned off. The battery is $1400 if you shop around (68381513AA), but they are covered by the longer warranty.

 

[Odyssey USA]

I agree 100% about not having any engine shutoff system, whether eTorque or ESS. Unfortunately, JL owners are forced to have one of them, and the ongoing complaints about ESS in the fora indicate that it is much more problematic and costly than eTorque. Believe me, I'm not a fan boy for the system and wish I didn't have it, but it seems to be the lesser of two evils. All that said, I do think that ESS is cheaper and easier to bypass, but that still incurs a cost, requires a non-standard battery configuration, and could void certain warranty repairs.

It is important to note that OP's mechanic "is not familiar with eTorque," so of course his perspective is going to be more negative since he doesn't know much about it. Given the pros/cons with either system, I'd consider it a draw between the two and proceed with purchasing the JL if it's a good deal and has all the options that OP wants. In short...eTorque should not be a showstopper if everything else about the Jeep is good to go.

You’re forced to have it but I was referring to having it either disabled or turned off via the dash.

IF…it’s enabled, the eTorque is so much smoother & faster in operation and that’s the most considerable advantage over the starter based ESS. With what was available in 19 and 21, I’m on my second eTorque. Had a 2.0 as well but no valvetrain issues there to make you want to shut off start/stop as much as the 3.6.

Thing is, there’s a workaround for the standard ESS. There is no workaround for eTorque outside of a $30k AMW Hemi Swap. What’s it cost to render the standard, rougher, and slower restarting ESS disabled? That’s just something to keep in mind for anyone who has the chance to avoid the considerable expense down the road.

 

[wmdavidson96]

How many miles are on the vehicle? Anything etorque related has an 8 year 80k mile warranty. I wouldn’t take it back just because it’s an etorque.

82k miles

 

[Mocopo]

I have a 22 e torque with 47k miles on it. Hard miles at that. I love it for what it gives you. More torque when you need it.

I agree with the thought that it's a system that could potentially be expensive to fix if it goes bad, but.... We just have so few examples of them going bad. On these forums, I can't even remember the last time someone complained about the system. You hear complaints about the aux battery all the time. I would take that as a sign that e torque might be the way to go.

 

[Pape]

JL have 99 problem but e-torq is not one of them, lol
You have more change to be affected by cam and lifter issue than e-torque issue IMO.

 

[whitechocolate]

eTorque is a fantastic system, wish Jeep had put more effort into this paired with the 6. Man is it fun. Ram has been using it for some time along with other manufactures . The 2021s are a good year too and that was the last year before Stellantis took over. The USB ports in the rear will work with uConnect, this changed over to charging over ports with the Stellantis takeover in the 2022s

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