Dependabilty of E-Torque

[NChap89]

Some of us want to do Wrangler things (see vids in my sig if you doubt me) while also hoping to get the best mileage possible (for a Wrangler), and as technology improves, there's no reason mileage can't improve at least marginally (even in a Wrangler). The difference between 15 MPG and 20 MPG can amount to thousands of dollars per year at the pump depending on how much you drive, and that's worth caring about even if you don't give a rip about the environment (which I do).
I will continue to do Wrangler things because I love it, and continue to look for an extra couple of MPG where possible and expect the evolving engine tech to deliver that, yes even in a Wrangler.

Sounds good ?

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[BXFXJeep]

From what I’ve gathered reading on various JL forums, eTorque does primarily two things:

1. It smoothens out the start of the ESS
2. One benefit that is much less reported but much more significant IMO, is the eTorque helps you retain your MPG after putting on larger tires

The MPG on my JL V6 dropped from 17-21 on the stock suspension and 32-inch tires, to 14-16 with a Mopar lift and 35x12.5 tires. A buddy’s JL with the V6 eTorque and similar modifications lost only 1-2 MPG. Because eTorque helps to turn the wheels from a standing stop, it appears eTorque takes a big bite off the added mass and inertia of larger tires.

The reason FCA discontinued eTorque from the 2.0T was primarily because it did a terrible job marketing it. At that time both the 2.0T and eTorque were new and unknown, and Jeep was charging extra for the 2.0T with eTorque. The benefits of eTorque were unknown —and remain so to a lot of consumers, and the durability of 2.0T was unproven. That was a non-starter for many buyers, especially when FCA wanted more money for that combo. Today, provided you are getting the automatic, the 2.0T is the cheaper engine option by several thousand dollars.

Both the 2.0T and eTorque have proved surprisingly durable. If I were to do it again, I’d would consider the V6 eTorque without hesitation.

Good luck.

I think one of the reasons they dropped etorque from the 2.0 is the premium cost for it, vs the 4xe with incentives, mean it would not make much sense paying more for the 2.0 + etorque, but getting a lot less than the 2.0 4xe

 

[aldo98229]

I think one of the reasons they dropped etorque from the 2.0 is the premium cost for it, vs the 4xe with incentives, mean it would not make much sense paying more for the 2.0 + etorque, but getting a lot less than the 2.0 4xe

I remember the discussions on here and other Wrangler forums when the 2.0T eTorque engine first appeared: no one knew what eTorque was or did. Even now, 4 years later, about half of all Wrangler buyers —beyond this forum, still have no clue what eTorque is or does.

When Jeep asked people to pay extra for a technology they didn’t know what benefits it provided, and tied it to a relatively unknown engine, Jeep found very few takers. It’s no more complicated than that.

 

[BucketList]

Good info here. I just placed an order on a new JLUR myself and was somewhat on the fence about the etorque. I have it in my Ram 1500 Hemi and it's been great. Very smooth and I do feel a bit more low end punch compared to my previous Hemi Ram trucks. So I ordered the etorque Pentastar in hopes that I will have just as good experience with it in the Jeep as I do in my Ram. I also have a 23' Ram 1500 work truck on order with the V6 Pentastar/etorque.

 

[Tncdrew]

This has been shared before, but it's one of the best explanations of etorque I've seen. This vid deals with the Ram 1500, but it's essentially the same system on the Pentastar.
For those that are unclear of what etorque does...

 

[JLUHT]

This has been shared before, but it's one of the best explanations of etorque I've seen. This vid deals with the Ram 1500, but it's essentially the same system on the Pentastar.
For those that are unclear of what etorque does...

Is the Jeep etorque regenerative like this too? I had no idea how it worked. Very cool.

 

[Tncdrew]

Is the Jeep etorque regenerative like this too? I had no idea how it worked. Very cool.

Yes, essentially the same system that's in the Ram 1500 Pentastar V6

 

[oldcjguy]

One of the god things about the eTorque is it's considered a mild hybrid. Because of that the generator and 48 volt battery and the battery cooling system are considered part of "emissions equipment" and covered under warranty for 8/80,000.

 

[No IFS]

Too early to tell, give all that technology plus extra cooling systems 5+ years in the rust belt then we can look back and assess its longevity. People with brand new ones that live in the sunshine states are going to tell you they’re awesome. Don’t forget about the expensive 48 V battery that will need to be replaced someday. You get no mileage benefit. It’s only about emissions. The E torque system adds much complexity with two additional cooling systems a generator and an expensive 48V battery. All proprietary to FCA.

 

[No IFS]

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...-i-with-start-stop.61348/page-13#post-2145837

3.6 E torque versus 3.6 ESS debate.

 

[No IFS]

“But the E torque 48v battery has an eight year warranty and the 3.6 ESS only has a stupid 12v motorcycle battery” Here’s the answer to that debate.
ESS battery $80 anywhere
E torque battery $1200 Jeep only.

“Lets see the math. How many $80 batteries can you buy for 1200 bucks =15
So I can buy 15 batteries or one 48V battery. Now my $80 battery is four years old and still going strong. But let’s say your battery lasts twice as long. Eight years.
You have one battery that lasts approximately eight years for $1200
for me to go 8 years cost $160 .. ??????
Now let’s say your battery lasts three times as long, wow ! That cost me another $80. And so on….
So in summary for $1200. i have approximately 60 years of battery. You have a guaranteed 8 years. Please explain how this is a bad deal for me.”

 

[JLUHT]

8yr warranty is a pretty solid argument foundation ?

 

[kah.mun.rah]

“But the E torque 48v battery has an eight year warranty and the 3.6 ESS only has a stupid 12v motorcycle battery” Here’s the answer to that debate.
ESS battery $80 anywhere
E torque battery $1200 Jeep only.

“Lets see the math. How many $80 batteries can you buy for 1200 bucks =15
So I can buy 15 batteries or one 48V battery. Now my $80 battery is four years old and still going strong. But let’s say your battery lasts twice as long. Eight years.
You have one battery that lasts approximately eight years for $1200
for me to go 8 years cost $160 .. ??????
Now let’s say your battery lasts three times as long, wow ! That cost me another $80. And so on….
So in summary for $1200. i have approximately 60 years of battery. You have a guaranteed 8 years. Please explain how this is a bad deal for me.”

In my 2018 I had to replace my 12V every year. If I kept my 2018 I would spend over $600 in eight years replacing the 12V. If I sell my etorque in 8 years I will have paid $0. Batteries aside, it’s the performance difference that makes the etorque worth it to me even if I keep it and have to pay $1,200 in 8 years for a new 48V battery. Besides, if it was all about saving money we would all be driving a Prius instead of a Wrangler.

 

[No IFS]

In my 2018 I had to replace my 12V every year. If I kept my 2018 I would spend over $600 in eight years replacing the 12V. If I sell my etorque in 8 years I will have paid $0. Batteries aside, it’s the performance difference that makes the etorque worth it to me even if I keep it and have to pay $1,200 in 8 years for a new 48V battery. Besides, if it was all about saving money we would all be driving a Prius instead of a Wrangler.

There’s obviously something wrong with you or your Jeep maybe both. My Jeep over four years old with the original both 12 V batteries. No issues. Also the 12 V batteries have a warranty as well. Three years or 36,000k

 

[kah.mun.rah]

There’s obviously something wrong with you or your Jeep maybe both. My Jeep over four years old with the original both 12 V batteries. No issues. Also the 12 V batteries have a warranty as well. Three years or 36,000k

Thanks for the personal jab. As I said before, for me (and probably most etorque owners) it's more about the performance difference than the battery price over time anyway. I don't expect you to understand that since you haven't had the chance to own both types like others of us have.

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