Bronco vs Jeep Wrangler mega thread

With the Bronco launch, what team are you in?

  • I will stay with team Jeep

    Votes: 478 57.6%
  • I may jump to Team Ford

    Votes: 191 23.0%
  • I am staying out of this one for now. (in Eric Cartman’s voice): Screw you guys, I am going home.

    Votes: 79 9.5%
  • Is “both” an option because I am loaded and can afford both?

    Votes: 82 9.9%

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I always wanted to covert my street-legal 911SC track car to this setup. Ran out of money:)

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Rally car to me looks so hella fun............
 

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Oh I agree with you completely. What I get tired of is the constant bashing of other vehicles that just because they don't crawl over rocks as well as the Wrangler, they are some horrible inferior soft-roader with zero capability.

There's all kinds of off-roading, and there are all kinds of ways to off-road. The Wrangler might excel in one or two, but there are other kinds of off-roading that people enjoy beyond the Rubicon trail or Moab.

As long as people are enjoying themselves, who cares what they are doing or what they are driving?

BTW, this isn't really directed at you specifically...just the fucked up mindset.

Is it just that certain people's version of "offroading" is superior to other people's?...cause that's what this shit boils down to; a dick measuring contest where everyone one here that doesn't run buggy only trails or compete in KOH is a bitch. That's ultimately what it comes down to if you follow this bullshit "I'm a REAL offroader" to its logical conclusion. It's fucking stupid.

How 'bout we just let people enjoy nature as they see fit at whatever level they are comfortable with and quit trying to lump them into categories, FFS?
 

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Oh I agree with you completely. What I get tired of is the constant bashing of other vehicles that just because they don't crawl over rocks as well as the Wrangler, they are some horrible inferior soft-roader with zero capability.

There's all kinds of off-roading, and there are all kinds of ways to off-road. The Wrangler might excel in one or two, but there are other kinds of off-roading that people enjoy beyond the Rubicon trail or Moab.

As long as people are enjoying themselves, who cares what they are doing or what they are driving?

Brand snobs are the problem....I actually really enjoy wheeling with different rigs and seeing their pros and cons.
 

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Agree completely. That's what being an enthusiast is all about. There is no absolute best brand or model for the job, and it's fun to see them all in action.

Brand snobs are the problem....I actually really enjoy wheeling with different rigs and seeing their pros and cons.
 

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All that being said, it is important to Jeep's brand (which is a very valuable brand) that they be perceived as the best off-road vehicle right off the lot. What that really means is subjective, but probably includes leading in all the "best in class" metrics. That is why I expect Jeep to release the Hemi with 35s sometime in the next 12 months. It will immediately take back all the metrics. This is the same thing we see with payload and towing in the pickup wars.
 

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I thought we dispensed with this....

It came down to a bunch of queers (myself included) who couldn't agree on what constituted a "trail" or "offroading". But the SEMA numbers I posted pretty much said a fairly high percentage (65%ish IIRC) of Jeeps see dirt.
This is interesting and counter to what I, perhaps wrongly, understood.

this article from SEMA suggests that 54% of Jeeps “actually venturing off-road”. That is also a higher number than I was led to believe.

https://www.sema.org/sema-news/2018/04/jeeps-and-side-by-sides

can you show me the data that you have? I would like to try to understand this more and I would also like to understand the survey methodology.

thanks in advance if you can share that data.
 

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This is interesting and counter to what I, perhaps wrongly, understood.

this article from SEMA suggests that 54% of Jeeps “actually venturing off-road”. That is also a higher number than I was led to believe.

https://www.sema.org/sema-news/2018/04/jeeps-and-side-by-sides

can you show me the data that you have? I would like to try to understand this more and I would also like to understand the survey methodology.

thanks in advance if you can share that data.
You'll have to search. I posted it in one of these threads....not sure which one.

EDIT*** Searched....can't find it. The search engine here is pretty pathetic. Maybe I'll try to Google the forum to find it. I'll post up if I do, but it should pop up under my user name***
 
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Broncos are for the mall. Jeeps are for the trails. End of discussion.
lol. Stop it. You know most Wranglers will never, ever see a trail.
No one has argued that, but being fully capable on more than just light to moderate trails is still a major selling point. Even for those who have no off road interest, just knowing that fact gives them the warm and cozies.
 

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This is interesting and counter to what I, perhaps wrongly, understood.

this article from SEMA suggests that 54% of Jeeps “actually venturing off-road”. That is also a higher number than I was led to believe.

https://www.sema.org/sema-news/2018/04/jeeps-and-side-by-sides

can you show me the data that you have? I would like to try to understand this more and I would also like to understand the survey methodology.

thanks in advance if you can share that data.
I found it...I was way off on percentages though....

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...g-on-the-wrangler.26215/page-195#post-1061290

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From that post:

"Seems like the 10% number is just flat wrong....based on the SEMA study provided earlier:....

62% of registered TJs and JKs are "accessorized" according to SEMA's report (Pg 7). Of those, 55% offroad their vehicles (pg 32 of the report)....so according to that, roughly 34% of those vehicles are offroaded.

https://www.sema.org/market-research/pdf/33057_SEMA_Wrangler_Report.pdf "
 

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I found it...I was way off on percentages though....


Post # 2916

From that post:

"Seems like the 10% number is just flat wrong....based on the SEMA study provided earlier:....

62% of registered TJs and JKs are "accessorized" according to SEMA's report (Pg 7). Of those, 55% offroad their vehicles (pg 32 of the report)....so according to that, roughly 34% of those vehicles are offroaded.
Thanks for this. I am studying it right now. If the 34% number is the ‘correct” number.... I.e., “about one-third“ of Jeeps actually go into dirt, that is far more in line with what I had been told was true (“significantly less that half of all Jeeps go off-road and that number is declining as FCA sells more fancy Jeeps to suburban folks”.....). Please keep in mind though that I have zero data to backup what I was told.

this data seems to line up with the link I posted above (which seems to be a summary of this study).

i love pouring through stuff like this and I will take a look. It makes sense that SEMA would first look to “accesserizers” then look to off-roaders within that. But, that does likely leave out some folks who don’t accesserize but do go off-road, Stock.

anyway, THANKS!
 
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Exactly! Completely staged. Here is an original picture from the article with the Bronco purposely parked in a spot a little higher so it looks taller. I leveled out the asphalt in the second picture. You will see the Bronco doesn’t look so much taller than the Sport when they are both on level ground.

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Modified JK and JT Rubicons...
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Yeah...and I'm a dirter who owns a Lotus. Same boat here, man.


BTW, this isn't really directed at you specifically...just the fucked up mindset.

Is it just that certain people's version of "offroading" is superior to other people's?...cause that's what this shit boils down to; a dick measuring contest where everyone one here that doesn't run buggy only trails or compete in KOH is a bitch. That's ultimately what it comes down to if you follow this bullshit "I'm a REAL offroader" to its logical conclusion. It's fucking stupid.

How 'bout we just let people enjoy nature as they see fit at whatever level they are comfortable with and quit trying to lump them into categories, FFS?
Hey a fellow Lotus owner! I wonder how many more on this forum own one, if any.

I agree with you 100%. Kind of following the same mindset that there will always be someone bigger or faster or stronger than you. There will always be someone who offroads more hardcore, so whytry to qualify everyone and every vehicle. Some people want to rock crawl, some want to desert run, some want to Overland, some just want to drive down a dirt road to clear their minds after a long week. Who cares why people want to go, how they choose to do so, or in what vehicle.

The Bronco will give someone 90% of what the wrangler will with the other 10% being different, not better or worse depending on your goals. The way I see it, the more people out enjoying nature, the better (within reason).
 

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