Bronco vs Jeep Wrangler mega thread

[Richtor]

The Bronco 6G forum, the groups, Ford... about a month ago now iirc.

Would have been nice for direct link. I found 3 or 4 threads there on their, but nothing on no modular.
What’s your definition of modular top?

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[Odyssey USA]

Would have been nice for direct link. I found 3 or 4 threads there on their, but nothing on no modular.
What’s your definition of modular top?

Yeah, I don’t have it but you can just ask over there. I’m talking about the one where the windows pop out etc, IE a Safari setup capable top. That’s the modular top. The top that’s coming will be like the Jeeps early on. Modular is a late availability option.

 

[word302]

Wow! Almost a full month went by without any post on this thread! Yeah I’d say the Bronco is pretty much dead on this forum now.

You jinxed it.

 

[ekim]

Ford modular top is late availability. This is vs the MIC top. Difference is modular is heavier so presumably quieter and the rear windows can be removed. Also modular is painted (black, white {2022}, and body color {I think}.

I did not read 138 pages but I'm a jeep guy leaning towards Ford. It seems like Ford is going after people who really want a capable off-road rig from the factory vs Jeep who is oblivious to what the off-road customer wants. It seems like Jeep continues to sell a platform that requires expensive tweaks to get to a good base while Ford is at least making an effort to provide good factory offering that doesn't require tweaks the day you take it home. Jeep can't even get simple things right like offering an 8.5" rim from the factory.

Jeep lost me when the eliminated the possibility to get a non-hybrid 6 cylinder with an auto trans. Even with the 392 they seem to be in left field. Premium gas only? Really? 33" tires, 7.5" rims. That doesn't compete with Bronco. It just re-enforces the argument that FCA is a bit out of touch.

I'd order a JL tomorrow if I could get it already set up with 35" tires and 4.88 gearing. Give me a factory option for a setup that supports 37" tires (8.5" forged rims, 35 spline shafts, High clearance Dana 60, etc.) and I'd pay up for that too.

Right now, for ~50,000 I can get a Bronco with 35s and 4.7 gears. I don't need to buy a lift, new tires, rims and perform all the associated work. Ford even provides a rig that can do limited front digs!! At least they are making an effort to cater to the community What cool new off-road feature has jeep rolled out in the last 10 years? It seems like the last important thing they offered was the 4:1 transfer case and lockers.

I can enjoy a pretty capable rig with full factory support for a number of years without having to do a dance about how my modifications voided the warrantee.

On paper, the Bronco will be more of a pleasure to drive on the street and most off-road trails except harder core rock crawling. Seems like the edge goes to Bronco for now. Of course it's still vaporware and Ford needs to execute. On paper they have something that's going to take a huge bite out of Jeep. All ford has to do is deliver.

 

[multicam]

If I were interested in a Bronco I’d wait to see if they put the rumored upcoming 6.8L V8 in it. The one that’s supposedly bound for the F-150 and Mustang to replace the Coyote.

 

[Richtor]

Yeah, I don’t have it but you can just ask over there. I’m talking about the one where the windows pop out etc, IE a Safari setup capable top. That’s the modular top. The top that’s coming will be like the Jeeps early on. Modular is a late availability option.

Late available like the Sasquatch stick option? Or 22/23 late?
So the 3 piece 2dr and 4 piece 4rd top are a go?

Thanks

 

[twisty]

Jeep 392 has arrived ! ! Rolls up and sticks a fork in the Ford Bronco DONE !
Bronco ?.....what Bronco ?
Bronco appeal......luster is fading fast.

The only thing ford really had was a better engine, with that blown away by jeep I think its luster is fading.

 

[twisty]

@iznthesky
I think that's a pretty dumb statement. The 392 is probably gonna land somewhere in the neighborhood of 65-70k, at least in the form they're currently offering it. I just don't see people (like me) cross shopping a 30-40k bronco with a 70k wrangler.

The high end bronco will be in the same range without a killer motor. The 30-40k bronco your referring to isnt much of a vehicle. The nicely appointed bronco's are much more then that, and jeep just killed it with a 392.

 

[twisty]

Ford modular top is late availability. This is vs the MIC top. Difference is modular is heavier so presumably quieter and the rear windows can be removed. Also modular is painted (black, white {2022}, and body color {I think}.

I did not read 138 pages but I'm a jeep guy leaning towards Ford. It seems like Ford is going after people who really want a capable off-road rig from the factory vs Jeep who is oblivious to what the off-road customer wants. It seems like Jeep continues to sell a platform that requires expensive tweaks to get to a good base while Ford is at least making an effort to provide good factory offering that doesn't require tweaks the day you take it home. Jeep can't even get simple things right like offering an 8.5" rim from the factory.

Jeep lost me when the eliminated the possibility to get a non-hybrid 6 cylinder with an auto trans. Even with the 392 they seem to be in left field. Premium gas only? Really? 33" tires, 7.5" rims. That doesn't compete with Bronco. It just re-enforces the argument that FCA is a bit out of touch.

I'd order a JL tomorrow if I could get it already set up with 35" tires and 4.88 gearing. Give me a factory option for a setup that supports 37" tires (8.5" forged rims, 35 spline shafts, High clearance Dana 60, etc.) and I'd pay up for that too.

Right now, for ~50,000 I can get a Bronco with 35s and 4.7 gears. I don't need to buy a lift, new tires, rims and perform all the associated work. Ford even provides a rig that can do limited front digs!! At least they are making an effort to cater to the community What cool new off-road feature has jeep rolled out in the last 10 years? It seems like the last important thing they offered was the 4:1 transfer case and lockers.

I can enjoy a pretty capable rig with full factory support for a number of years without having to do a dance about how my modifications voided the warrantee.

On paper, the Bronco will be more of a pleasure to drive on the street and most off-road trails except harder core rock crawling. Seems like the edge goes to Bronco for now. Of course it's still vaporware and Ford needs to execute. On paper they have something that's going to take a huge bite out of Jeep. All ford has to do is deliver.

Yeah it is nice ford has some smart offerings but they ruin it all by lame IFS.
Tires can be bought.
the 392 comes with a lift that will likely be more then the 2 inches that's claimed. Every so called mopar 2 inch lift is reportedly really about 4 inches. 37's will more than likely fit.

4.7 gears are sweet but with a 392 you wont need them. You wont even need a 4-1 transfer case either. Many with 392 conversions complain it's too low and they wheel ROCKS.

With the new 392 offering jeep is anything but out of touch. It's what the off road community has been clamoring for forever...and they just took a huge bite out of fords already fading excitement.

 

[Whisky19]

Meanwhile at the Ford dealer.. “ sir, we’ll get that refund back as soon as possible”

 

[Jeeperob]

Ford modular top is late availability. This is vs the MIC top. Difference is modular is heavier so presumably quieter and the rear windows can be removed. Also modular is painted (black, white {2022}, and body color {I think}.

I did not read 138 pages but I'm a jeep guy leaning towards Ford. It seems like Ford is going after people who really want a capable off-road rig from the factory vs Jeep who is oblivious to what the off-road customer wants. It seems like Jeep continues to sell a platform that requires expensive tweaks to get to a good base while Ford is at least making an effort to provide good factory offering that doesn't require tweaks the day you take it home. Jeep can't even get simple things right like offering an 8.5" rim from the factory.

Jeep lost me when the eliminated the possibility to get a non-hybrid 6 cylinder with an auto trans. Even with the 392 they seem to be in left field. Premium gas only? Really? 33" tires, 7.5" rims. That doesn't compete with Bronco. It just re-enforces the argument that FCA is a bit out of touch.

I'd order a JL tomorrow if I could get it already set up with 35" tires and 4.88 gearing. Give me a factory option for a setup that supports 37" tires (8.5" forged rims, 35 spline shafts, High clearance Dana 60, etc.) and I'd pay up for that too.

Right now, for ~50,000 I can get a Bronco with 35s and 4.7 gears. I don't need to buy a lift, new tires, rims and perform all the associated work. Ford even provides a rig that can do limited front digs!! At least they are making an effort to cater to the community What cool new off-road feature has jeep rolled out in the last 10 years? It seems like the last important thing they offered was the 4:1 transfer case and lockers.

I can enjoy a pretty capable rig with full factory support for a number of years without having to do a dance about how my modifications voided the warrantee.

On paper, the Bronco will be more of a pleasure to drive on the street and most off-road trails except harder core rock crawling. Seems like the edge goes to Bronco for now. Of course it's still vaporware and Ford needs to execute. On paper they have something that's going to take a huge bite out of Jeep. All ford has to do is deliver.

I signed in just to say well voiced and right on the money.

 

[Jeeperob]

The high end bronco will be in the same range without a killer motor. The 30-40k bronco your referring to isnt much of a vehicle. The nicely appointed bronco's are much more then that, and jeep just killed it with a 392.

Ya, I stopped replying to this thread because no matter what things are written about the Bronco, there’s bound to be Jeep fans to shit all over it.

Some things Ford has done are not cool (like the MIC grey top) but the Bronco is still a great competitor.

Oh, and the comment that the Bronco Warthog will be in the same price range (I would suspect around 60-65k if it’s like other Ford Perf vehicles) but not a killer motor....okay there. It probably won’t be a massive, heavy V8, but the 3.0 or 3.6 ...the Ford GT does okay with that engine block so I’m quite sure they can modify and program it to work well in a Bronco...

 

[Bradley]

The high end bronco will be in the same range without a killer motor. The 30-40k bronco your referring to isnt much of a vehicle. The nicely appointed bronco's are much more then that, and jeep just killed it with a 392.

Jeep didn't kill anything. Ford didn't kill anything. If anything, Jeep has pissed off their consumers by letting the QC go down the drain the past several years. Additionally, Ford pissed off their consumers by showing off all these Bronco options and then making pretty much everything late availability. We can thank Ford for pushing Jeep to build the 392. With no Bronco, I'd have my doubts of Jeep releasing this, at least how quickly they did. Also, you can't compare the fully loaded 392 to the Rubicon equivalent Bronco. The 392 equivalent has yet to be revealed but the rumored name is the Warthog. We don't know what engine sizes but rumors are the V8 6.8 windsor pushrod and/or the Aviator hybrid which gets 492 HP and 630 lb-ft of torque. Insiders say it will be a 2023 MY.

Also, for those who were asking about the Bronco top situations... Painted black hardtop is late availability 2021. Color matching and white are available 2022.

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/white-hard-top-for-2022-bronco-confirmed.7198/

 

[ThirtyOne]

Ford modular top is late availability. This is vs the MIC top. Difference is modular is heavier so presumably quieter and the rear windows can be removed. Also modular is painted (black, white {2022}, and body color {I think}.

I did not read 138 pages but I'm a jeep guy leaning towards Ford. It seems like Ford is going after people who really want a capable off-road rig from the factory vs Jeep who is oblivious to what the off-road customer wants. It seems like Jeep continues to sell a platform that requires expensive tweaks to get to a good base while Ford is at least making an effort to provide good factory offering that doesn't require tweaks the day you take it home. Jeep can't even get simple things right like offering an 8.5" rim from the factory.

Jeep lost me when the eliminated the possibility to get a non-hybrid 6 cylinder with an auto trans. Even with the 392 they seem to be in left field. Premium gas only? Really? 33" tires, 7.5" rims. That doesn't compete with Bronco. It just re-enforces the argument that FCA is a bit out of touch.

I'd order a JL tomorrow if I could get it already set up with 35" tires and 4.88 gearing. Give me a factory option for a setup that supports 37" tires (8.5" forged rims, 35 spline shafts, High clearance Dana 60, etc.) and I'd pay up for that too.

Right now, for ~50,000 I can get a Bronco with 35s and 4.7 gears. I don't need to buy a lift, new tires, rims and perform all the associated work. Ford even provides a rig that can do limited front digs!! At least they are making an effort to cater to the community What cool new off-road feature has jeep rolled out in the last 10 years? It seems like the last important thing they offered was the 4:1 transfer case and lockers.

I can enjoy a pretty capable rig with full factory support for a number of years without having to do a dance about how my modifications voided the warrantee.

On paper, the Bronco will be more of a pleasure to drive on the street and most off-road trails except harder core rock crawling. Seems like the edge goes to Bronco for now. Of course it's still vaporware and Ford needs to execute. On paper they have something that's going to take a huge bite out of Jeep. All ford has to do is deliver.

I don't disagree with you, except that Jeep has upped the ante on off-road features in the JL. They have added a diesel, hybrid, and Hemi. They have made big brakes standard on Rubicon, Sahara, and Willys. They have added high fenders, off-road pages, front trail-cam, tire fill alerts, and offroad + for some models (which I think is lockers in 4-hi). They have added the Mojave Edition (at least to the truck) which has some different components for desert running.

So while they haven't done bigger tires and gears, they have done a lot of smaller things. There is a lot more I would like to see them do.

The Bronco looks good on paper. I am waiting to see what we actually get and when we get it. But it is definitely a cool vehicle and I think will bring some energy to the space.

 

[Gurk]

Everyone has their preferences including me.

The New Bronco ain't my 77 Bronco with a mustang 5.0 EFI, AFR Heads, RV Cam and 3 Inch Lift nor will it ever be.
Just like the Wrangler JL ain't my 2000 TJ Sport with the bulletproof straight 6 Manual and Dana 44's from the factory with a 3 in Terraflex lift.

I would rather have a 396 with the options I want, and not all the electronic nanny crap, but it is what it is and I may still pull the trigger on it.

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