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People make a big deal about charging speed, but most charging is done or should be done at home. Buying an EV without home charging is not a good idea. Right now with gas prices skyrocketing, the savings on an EV makes too much sense.
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I've become an EV guy and thought I'd take a stab at some of these comments. I own a Rivian (which is a damn good off roader) and a pure ICE Wrangler Rubicon on 37s (which I love!)

I’m gonna drag my feet, kicking and screaming before giving up ICE…..Until they have a charging station as frequently as there’s gas stations and you’re able to charge it up in the same amount of time as fueling up, you can count my happy ass OUT…..
Here's the thing, you do you and enjoy it. Anyone taking smack about EVs over ICE should shut it for now. They both have their positives and negatives. That said, ALL of your requirements are going to be met within the next few years. The reason I own a Rivian is because the tech got to the point that it fit my needs. I used to call EVs a pipe dream and they were, at the time. But, technology got better, VASTLY better. Toyota isn't talking smack when they say they'll be selling a 700mile range EV with 10 minutes charging by 2027. Solid State Batteries are the next big leap and they'll change everything. Batteries will get smaller, lighter, and able to charge in very short periods of time. Even with current tech, we've already got Rivians with over 400 miles of range and Lucids with 500 miles. The real problem with those is the pricing but that's coming down too.

Wow, if they come out with a manual electric I’d be interested. All that torque on a manual sounds very fun. This coming from a guy that swore he would never drive an electric.
Honestly, it's a gimmick and it's kinda dumb. Electrics don't need transmissions at all because they deliver 100% of their torque the second you press the accelerator. That's why even lower powered EVs have such good acceleration. Even a cheap Bolt EV can do 0-60 in under 6 seconds. My Rivian can do it in 3. IMO, a production Wrangler is either going to have a motor integrated solid axle (Manga already builds one) or they're going to connect a motor directly to the transfer case.

The EV has its place. But unless they get the battery miles up it is worthless as a battery only vehicle. I had a 4xe I could go 30 miles on a charge Not good
My Rivian can do 320miles on a single charge. The Max Battery version just came out can can get over 400 miles. The upcoming Silverado EV can do 450. That's nothing compared to what's coming when Solid States hit the market. Toyota is expecting their solid state EV in 2027 with 700 miles of range and charging in as little as 10 minutes. For now, stick with what works for you (and you can afford) but the tech is gonna be there sooner than you think.

I've never even driven an EV, but I'm not as reluctant as many on here. The part I'll miss most are the visceral aspects to the ICE: smell, vibration, sound. Completely linear delivery and dead quiet operation might prove to be boring.
THIS TIMES A BILLION. You hit the exact words I've used on this. There is definitely a visceral connection between the driver and the car that is missing when you don't hear and feel. the roar of a V8. I will give credit to Dodge for trying to tackle this but they haven't quite nailed it.

But I will say, the same could have been said about riding horses or carriages when the ICE vehicles first hit. The connection between animal and rider was lost but a lot was gained. The same applies here. We gain A LOT in performance. Go drive a Tesla Model 3 performance, Ford Mach-E GT, or a Rivian quad motor. It's the closest thing you'll experience to being launched off an aircraft carrier. The acceleration is mind bending. These vehicles can also carve curves exceptionally well. Then there is braking. Regenerative braking enables one foot driving. I have to drive up and down mountains all the time but I rarely touch my Rivian's brake pedal. Even when going down 7-9% grades.
 

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Wow, if they come out with a manual electric I’d be interested. All that torque on a manual sounds very fun. This coming from a guy that swore he would never drive an electric.
Or they could just give a manual 392 :)
 

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As it stands, EV’s are only viable for well off homeowners with garages. Apartment dwellers, most townhouse residents, those who only have on street parking or even the guy living in a tent down by the river an EV is not very viable and possibly even a negative for transportation. Of course the well off people are the people the government mostly targets when it comes to EV’s as those people respond more favorably to high priced technology.

EV has a long way to go before it’s mainstream. A $70,000 second vehicle is not a sustainable option for much of America, regardless of how much Joe says so.
 

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First….. take the knot out if your panties, I’m talking about now, not tomorrow, it’s not given……. Maybe what you say is true, maybe you’re off by 10 years no way of knowing for sure…. So I’ll continue to talk all the smack I want to for now….. ?
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The mating of an electric motor to a standard transmission / clutch does not make sense to me. Electric motors don't idle like an ICE engine does. They make 100% of their torque at zero RPM. One of the engineers at EJS when they were showing off the Magneto told me that the six gears in the transmission were pointless, as the electric motor could pull in any one of them. The only thing I can think of is that if you could buy an electric motor with a bolt pattern that mated to any existing CJ/TJ/JK/JL drivetrain, then you might get enthusiast buy-in as a source for engine swaps.
 

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Honestly, it's a gimmick and it's kinda dumb. Electrics don't need transmissions at all because they deliver 100% of their torque the second you press the accelerator.
IMO you’re missing the point here man. Nobody really needs a manual in 2023 because automatics are excellent now. Manuals are for the fun factor, which is why I’m a car guy.
 

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The EV has its place. But unless they get the battery miles up it is worthless as a battery only vehicle. I had a 4xe I could go 30 miles on a charge Not good
Golf carts on a golf course is the only place for it.
 

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IMO you’re missing the point here man. Nobody really needs a manual in 2023 because automatics are excellent now. Manuals are for the fun factor, which is why I’m a car guy.
I think that his point is, the experience wll be no where near the same. Manuals are fun to row between the gears, feeling/listening to the engine revs rise and fall as you move up the power band. The EV's (quiet) instant on torque makes all of that go away. There's nothing to listen to, the sensation is vanilla, and the motor doesn't need gear ratios to haul ass. You might as well be shifting your ceiling fan.
 
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As it stands, EV’s are only viable for well off homeowners with garages. Apartment dwellers, most townhouse residents, those who only have on street parking or even the guy living in a tent down by the river an EV is not very viable and possibly even a negative for transportation. Of course the well off people are the people the government mostly targets when it comes to EV’s as those people respond more favorably to high priced technology.

EV has a long way to go before it’s mainstream. A $70,000 second vehicle is not a sustainable option for much of America, regardless of how much Joe says so.

Nailed it

However I'm one of those condo dwellers without a charger, but luckily I live 5-6 minutes walk from two free charging location, a grocery store and retail complex. There is also two paid government chargers about 10 minutes walk, and another couple 15 minutes walk, for those I skateboard the rare odd time I use them.

I mostly use them when - One of the major problems with public charging is vandalism, and stupid people that don't know how to use chargers, which result in these very expensive chargers being damaged regularly, and the charger owners aren't quick to repair, I guess they know clowns will damage them again in short order.

Then on top of that you have the Tesla bros that block chargers, just using the spots as preferred parking, I see other EVs are also now starting to do this also, since these rich clowns probably have home charging, so they don't need to use the public chargers, they just park in the spots, ICE rarely do this.

So if you are buying an EV best to have home charging or access to many charging options.

Put it this way, if I lived in a condo anywhere else I would pretty much be screwed for charging.

The EV sheme is a social thing, and most people are generally selfish assholes, and the government knows it, and is depending on it for their EV scheme, on top of these issues they are pumping billions into building out a shitty broken EV charging network, that many manufacturers are quickly abandoning for Tesla's.
 

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The mating of an electric motor to a standard transmission / clutch does not make sense to me. Electric motors don't idle like an ICE engine does. They make 100% of their torque at zero RPM. One of the engineers at EJS when they were showing off the Magneto told me that the six gears in the transmission were pointless, as the electric motor could pull in any one of them. The only thing I can think of is that if you could buy an electric motor with a bolt pattern that mated to any existing CJ/TJ/JK/JL drivetrain, then you might get enthusiast buy-in as a source for engine swaps.
There are conversation companies that do manual transmission all the time. The only difference is you don't need to slip the clutch. Select a gear and go. I will admit that modern automatics are quite good, but the best ones use an internal dual clutch setup. I've owned fast cars in both varieties, manuals are more engaging, arguably simpler and easier to maintain.
 

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Jeep can't keep the manual/ clutch from exploding behind their lowest output engine, but sure put it behind an electric motor with 950 ftlbs, what could go wrong? The dream EV wrangler is like to see is like the magneto 3.0 but no trans and a 4 speed atlas transfer case behind the electric motor. Then axles could be geared for optimal highway performance and you could get the crawl ratio so low that finite control off road would be easy even with the massive torque output. Keep the solid axles that make a Jeep a Jeep. I belive tie rods were the biggest issue for the rivians on the Rubicon, as they have been for the bronco. The solid axle brings with it beefy steering and articulation.
 

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People make a big deal about charging speed, but most charging is done or should be done at home. Buying an EV without home charging is not a good idea. Right now with gas prices skyrocketing, the savings on an EV makes too much sense.
Good point. It's like having a underground fuel tank at your home. Why would you use a traditional gas station unless you were on a long trip?

But...let's be clear. Strip away all the yeah-buts and what-abouts, and you're left with the real reason: many, including me to some extent, are firmly rooted in the past. Hell...I felt angst when they took away rotary dial telephones. No shame in it. Modern day Luddites.

One hundred years from now our great great grandchildren will be fighting nostalgically to keep EVs when a newer power source comes along. It's the circle of life. :)
 
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