Question on 1st Tire Rotation

[azwjowner]

I'm lucky if I get 2 years, but we wheel all over the country and our AZ property is ~540 miles from our house so we see more miles than most. I also don't buy that tires age out at 6 years as most trucks and cars never use their spare and the average vehicle on the road is something like 13 years old. Have you ever replaced the donut spare in the trunk? I know I haven't.

Yes, I carry a full size spare in all cars and replace it every 6 years. But, sure, if you don't want to ever actually use your spare, no need to replace it. Just hope you don't break down on a distant highway.

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[tk1700]

Not as ahead as you might think. Let me explain my situation. I am about 20,000 miles away from needing my third set of tires. I am at approximately 104,000 on my 2022. I do not own a home as I have been mostly living out of my Jeep in National Forests, and I wheel pretty much weekly, so they wear faster due to the mileage and the terrain. When I did the 5 tire rotation plan, I discovered too late that some dealerships don't always do what they say they would regarding the five-tire rotation. I suspect (Figured out after the fact) that about three of my tire rotations were only four-tire rotations, and that caused uneven wear among the tires. Since I put new shoes on the Jeep about once a year, the fifth tire rotting on the carrier will not be an issue. When I buy my next set, the tire on my carrier will come down and be a part of the four on the ground. I suppose I could number my tires in paint, which would force the dealerships to do all five, and maybe I will next time, but for this current set, I am not losing sleep over it.

If I understand correctly, you expect to go about 124,000 miles on 2 sets of tires? I don't consider that fast wear, I'm envious!

 

[2nd 392]

If I understand correctly, you expect to go about 124,000 miles on 2 sets of tires? I don't consider that fast wear, I'm envious!

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[Astro Jeep]

If I understand correctly, you expect to go about 124,000 miles on 2 sets of tires? I don't consider that fast wear, I'm envious!

I wrote that completely wrong and fucked up! You got me, damn it! Anyway, I gave it some actual brain cells this time instead of just throwing out a reply. I was on factory 33s until around 20k, if memory serves. That is when I put on my first set of 37s. My first set got me to 70k roughly on the odometer. There wasn't much good tread left for off-roading at that point. I was rotating all 5 tires for that first set of 37s. I am around 104ish now on my second set of 37s, and I have only been rotating four tires this go around. When I get to 120-125k, I will put my third set of 37s on. I try to mentally block out the 33s days. I am feeling pretty stupid now, but I am glad you caught it. Thanks!

 

[tk1700]

I wrote that completely wrong and fucked up! You got me, damn it! Anyway, I gave it some actual brain cells this time instead of just throwing out a reply. I was on factory 33s until around 20k, if memory serves. That is when I put on my first set of 37s. My first set got me to 70k roughly on the odometer. There wasn't much good tread left for off-roading at that point. I was rotating all 5 tires for that first set of 37s. I am around 104ish now on my second set of 37s, and I have only been rotating four tires this go around. When I get to 120-125k, I will put my third set of 37s on. I try to mentally block out the 33s days. I am feeling pretty stupid now, but I am glad you caught it. Thanks!

Now I'm disappointed! I wanted to know how you made tires last so long and give the rest of us a lesson.

 

[Astro Jeep]

Now I'm disappointed! I wanted to know how you made tires last so long and give the rest of us a lesson.

Sorry to disappoint! I wish I had some fairy dust to sprinkle on my tires, but I haven't figured out alchemy yet.

 

[dragoneggs]

Hope that helps!

This is pretty much what the DT guy drew me when I asked him today. I was questioning why they don’t rotate out the highest wear tread as they have a fancy scanner that records each tire tread depth. He couldn’t explain… other than just that this is the way we do it. I said ‘huh?’ as I couldn’t follow his arrows after a couple tries.

I guess the only reason they measure is to try to sell you new shoes along with wiper blades. No real knock on them… the service is free and they are professional (at my local dealer anyways).

 

[2nd 392]

Sorry to disappoint! I wish I had some fairy dust to sprinkle on my tires, but I haven't figured out alchemy yet.

 

[dragoneggs]

read it again; they absolutely do, and they describe why.
a 4WD system will have a lower chance of binding up and will work better if all the tires on the ground are close to the same tread-wear and have the same roll-out/circumference.



exactly; the pressure sensor doesn't transmit until it's been spinning for a bit. the tire in the Spare position doesn't spin (hopefully!).



of course.
the 3 Sensor receivers on the body of the J**p can distinguish from which tire a signal is arriving based on the strength of the signals at the receivers.

Are we sure it requires the wheel to spin? If so, I guess it locks on once it spins once. I am able to air down/up stationary (thank god) and monitor pressure.

 

[Halxen]

There’s a couple reasons guys do 5 tire rotation, one is you get 20% more wear on all the tires…. Another reason is, it sits in the weather/sunlight, and dry rot is a concern…. Me personally, I do a 5 tire rotation because I want to go to 38s next set, up from 37s and I want to wear them all out…..not because of these other reasons…..You do whichever way you want to, it’s not as big of a deal as some would have you believe…..

I'd echo this. If you're doing rotations alongside your oil changes and are doing a reasonable OCI there shouldn't be a significant wear difference between the 4 of the floor and the spare. IMO I think the primary reason Jeepers suggest/do 5 tire rotations, where others that also have full sized spares do not, is primarily due to the ease of doing so on a Wrangler. I'd also think as @Roky noted that Wrangler owners might have a higher propensity to changing the tire size/type/brand and given the desire to keep the full sized spare matching the other 4 it makes some sense to want the wear to be as evenly used up on all 5 tires when doing so.

 

[zouch]

when i first get in, i see mine (late 2020 build date) shows the last pressure it monitored. it doesn't update until it's been rolling for approximately a block most of the time.

Are we sure it requires the wheel to spin? If so, I guess it locks on once it spins once. I am able to air down/up stationary (thank god) and monitor pressure.

 

[Ratbert]

Sorry to disappoint! I wish I had some fairy dust to sprinkle on my tires, but I haven't figured out alchemy yet.

Just a thought, but rotating all five gave you about 20% more life from them.

 

[Astro Jeep]

Just a thought, but rotating all five gave you about 20% more life from them.

I won't argue that as it is 100% true, but rotating just four saves me 20% in cost at the time of my next purchase. Since I put about 40+k a year on the Jeep traveling, I can pull the tire off the carrier and put it into the rotation before any rot sets in on the 5th tire the next time I buy the Jeep new shoes. If I were going to upgrade my tire size, or if I had an inkling of changing tire brands or make, I would absolutely rotate all five to expend them simultaneously. As I said in a previous post, when I rotated all five, I noticed too late that the dealerships I had visited didn't consistently rotate all five as requested. By the time I saw it, it was pretty obvious, and it was too late. I could mark the tires with numbers with a paint pen, and then I could verify that all five were rotated, but for this time, at least, I am just rotating four. I will probably rotate all five for my next set again because I hope to have the money for D60s and then go up to 40s, but who knows.

 

[zouch]

rotating just 4 out of 5 means you're going to need to buy tires 20% sooner. there's no savings.

if a dealershit doesn't rotate all 5 of yours when requested, you could just take put the Spare on the ground in place of whichever is the most worn. in fact, some folks routinely put the most worn tire on the Spare, no matter what position it came from.

I won't argue that as it is 100% true, but rotating just four saves me 20% in cost at the time of my next purchase. Since I put about 40+k a year on the Jeep traveling, I can pull the tire off the carrier and put it into the rotation before any rot sets in on the 5th tire the next time I buy the Jeep new shoes. If I were going to upgrade my tire size, or if I had an inkling of changing tire brands or make, I would absolutely rotate all five to expend them simultaneously. As I said in a previous post, when I rotated all five, I noticed too late that the dealerships I had visited didn't consistently rotate all five as requested. By the time I saw it, it was pretty obvious, and it was too late. I could mark the tires with numbers with a paint pen, and then I could verify that all five were rotated, but for this time, at least, I am just rotating four. I will probably rotate all five for my next set again because I hope to have the money for D60s and then go up to 40s, but who knows.

 

[Zandcwhite]

rotating just 4 out of 5 means you're going to need to buy tires 20% sooner. there's no savings.

if a dealershit doesn't rotate all 5 of yours when requested, you could just take put the Spare on the ground in place of whichever is the most worn. in fact, some folks routinely put the most worn tire on the Spare, no matter what position it came from.

His point wasn't a cost savings, it's 20% less life between purchases and 20% less cost when buying the tires. It's a wash. You don't save anything by doing 5 tire rotations vs 4... unless you do your own rotations. The time saved could add up considering 8-10 rotations per set of tires?

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