Question on 1st Tire Rotation

[Zandcwhite]

Sounds reasonable. Note that some Wranglers (e.g. 392s) don't do 2wd unless you use something like a Tazer.

It's only the 392s, all the others that have the 4 auto setting still have a 2wd mode. As far as a 392 is stick with 5 tire rotations for sure. All other models either option works and short of a major tire size change there would never be enough of a difference for it to matter in my opinion.

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[Astro Jeep]

For my first set of 37s, I rotated all five tires each time. Then, the bill came for five new tires. It would have been nice to have only had to replace four.

 

[sunset]

Sounds reasonable. Note that some Wranglers (e.g. 392s) don't do 2wd unless you use something like a Tazer.

Well, from what I've read, the 4H-AUTO setting in the 392 is indeed 2H on dry roads with the added feature that the front axle is constantly monitored for road traction loss and, if loss is encountered, it automatically goes into 4H. When traction is regained, it switches back to 2H. The driver no longer has to mentally evaluate changing road conditions for this, a convenience for all and a boon to guys whose wives only occasionally drive the vehicle in bad weather and may not think to watch for this. From what I read, this constant monitoring of the front axle has its cost in lowering the MPG to an extent, more than if the vehicle had the true 2H setting.

 

[siggy]

For my first set of 37s, I rotated all five tires each time. Then, the bill came for five new tires. It would have been nice to have only had to replace four.

You do realize you came out ahead, right?

 

[Ratbert]

You do realize you came out ahead, right?

Shush. Don't confuse people with facts.

 

[Al G]

Since my Camaro rims can have non-identical amount of weights between them, I assume so can the Jeep rims? Makes me wonder why it makes sense to allow the Jeep rims' weights to follow a given tire as the tire moves its way around the Jeep. Times four.

You live and learn. Thanks.

Wait a minute. Do you think tire rotation involves leaving the wheel in place and dismounting/remounting tires? The wheel/tire assembly remains together and the entire thing is rotated.

 

[sunset]

Wait a minute. Do you think tire rotation involves leaving the wheel in place and dismounting/remounting tires? The wheel/tire assembly remains together and the entire thing is rotated.

To answer your question, no. And now that I re-read my comment to which you responded, I don't like my train of thought there. What was I thinking? LOL

(I quickly google for this, something I should have done long ago...)

Ok, I get it. Each tire and its rim are spun on a machine and weights are added to correct an imbalanced spin. So, the weights on each of my rims can be different from each other, of course, and a tire rotation should not affect the fact that each tire-and-rim will remain balanced within itself no matter which position it has on my car. Until, as @Ratbert said, some symptom shows up someday to indicate a need for a rebalance.

Not necessarily the same as a need for a re-alignment.

https://www.firestonecompleteautocare.com/blog/alignment/tire-balance-vs-alignment/

Thanks for questioning what I wrote. My thinking can go down rabbit holes.

 

[Astro Jeep]

You do realize you came out ahead, right?

Not as ahead as you might think. Let me explain my situation. I am about 20,000 miles away from needing my third set of tires. I am at approximately 104,000 on my 2022. I do not own a home as I have been mostly living out of my Jeep in National Forests, and I wheel pretty much weekly, so they wear faster due to the mileage and the terrain. When I did the 5 tire rotation plan, I discovered too late that some dealerships don't always do what they say they would regarding the five-tire rotation. I suspect (Figured out after the fact) that about three of my tire rotations were only four-tire rotations, and that caused uneven wear among the tires. Since I put new shoes on the Jeep about once a year, the fifth tire rotting on the carrier will not be an issue. When I buy my next set, the tire on my carrier will come down and be a part of the four on the ground. I suppose I could number my tires in paint, which would force the dealerships to do all five, and maybe I will next time, but for this current set, I am not losing sleep over it.

 

[Astro Jeep]

To answer your question, no. And now that I re-read my comment to which you responded, I don't like my train of thought there. What was I thinking? LOL

(I quickly google for this, something I should have done long ago...)

Ok, I get it. Each tire and its rim are spun on a machine and weights are added to correct an imbalanced spin. So, the weights on each of my rims can be different from each other, of course, and a tire rotation should not affect the fact that each tire-and-rim will remain balanced within itself no matter which position it has on my car. Until, as @Ratbert said, some symptom shows up someday to indicate a need for a rebalance.

Not necessarily the same as a need for a re-alignment.

https://www.firestonecompleteautocare.com/blog/alignment/tire-balance-vs-alignment/

Thanks for questioning what I wrote. My thinking can go down rabbit holes.

Look into balance beads. I prefer them over adding weights, and it is just easier for me since I have split rims and mount my own tires. I throw in an appropriately weighted bag of beads and seal everything up, and the beads distribute themselves, balancing the tire while driving down the road.

 

[sunset]

Look into balance beads. I prefer them over adding weights, and it is just easier for me since I have split rims and mount my own tires. I throw in an appropriately weighted bag of beads and seal everything up, and the beads distribute themselves, balancing the tire while driving down the road.

Wow, never heard of that. Clever.

 

[Zandcwhite]

You do realize you came out ahead, right?

20% more life...20% more cost. That's a wash not coming out ahead. If I were sticking with the same tires in the same size, I might even keep the best used 1 as the now permanent spare and just buy 4 and switch to 4 tire rotations... but I've never actually done that as I like to try different tires.

 

[sunset]

If I were sticking with the same tires in the same size, I might even keep the best used 1 as the now permanent spare and just buy 4 and switch to 4 tire rotations...

Say, that's an idea. So many ideas in this thread.

 

[Speed331]

It seemed to me at first glance that the longer you wait between rotations, the longer it takes to end up with all 5 tires ending up with the same wear.

Using the 2024 Owners Manual chart recommendation of 4-tire rotation every 10,000 miles but adapted here for 5-tire rotation:

First 10,000 miles, four tires have 10k wear, the spare has 0k wear.

2nd 10,000 miles, three tires have 20k wear, one as 10k wear, spare has 10k wear.

3rd 10,000 miles, three tires have 30k wear, one has 20k wear, spare has 20k wear.

4th 10,000 miles, three tires have 40k wear, one has 30k wear, spare has 30k wear.

5th 10,000 miles, three tires have 50k wear, one has 40k wear, spare has 40k wear.

6th 10,000 miles, three tires have 60k wear, one has 50k wear, spare has 50k wear.

etc.

Ok, looks like at second glance that two tires will always be 10k behind the other three?

And if a 10k difference matters, we could reduce that 10k difference to 5k by rotating every 5000 miles.

Thoughts, anyone?

I rotate all five with every oil change ~ 6K miles or so. Makes life easier as I only have to track one set of milage.

I spent over $1,500 for five new MT Baja Boss tires, why would I just let one go to waste, barring a flat? Get the most for your money and rotate all 5.

For the pedantic who will bring up tracking milage for other maintnance - I do that by total milage intervals:
30k, 60k etc - transfer case & differential fluid
80k, 160k, - transmission fluid (ZF8 auto)

 

[siggy]

20% more life...20% more cost. That's a wash not coming out ahead. If I were sticking with the same tires in the same size, I might even keep the best used 1 as the now permanent spare and just buy 4 and switch to 4 tire rotations... but I've never actually done that as I like to try different tires.

Oof.

 

[J.Ferreira]

Good question. Every vehicle has a spare tire not just Jeeps. Understandably some are skinny donut’s but, let’s say full size trucks with standard spares. I’ve never heard of a 5 tire rotation on them?

Yeah, but on the wrangler the tire is at a nice height to pull off and put back on.
On a truck, it's more of a pain in the dick to remove the spare from under the bed. Also it's usually an unmatching wheel, where the Jeep has all 5 matching.

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