UPDATE:Shutdown-JT Order-Strike

[roaniecowpony]

I saw Raptors down at the southern border this year. I imagine they're getting whatever they need.

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[Onyx Dragon]

So I’ll start by saying I used to be on the other side of the fence (non-managerial) (still wasn’t a part of a union even then) but you made the comment “or ask for recessions when not needed”.

That being said, and I’m just trying to understand you here, how do you specifically know what is or is not needed for your company?

...because the union told him. We all know the fat cats on top of the union totem pole want nothing but what's best for those below them...

 

[TrailTorque]

...because the union told him. We all know the fat cats on top of the union totem pole want nothing but what's best for those below them...

LOL I was getting to that point but I’ll let you have this one haha

 

[ads75]

I think what I find amazing is that it's only March and your Union has told you to prepare for a strike when negotiations aren't scheduled to begin until late Summer. Sounds to me like you guys have your minds made up to strike regardless.

When would you suggest they start saving, their last paycheck?

 

[Lou3.6]

We are not privy to the details, but if it's anything like when I was in the Navy . . . they're paying "too much" and won't be getting their return on the dollar, i.e.; being these Early Run JT's will likely "have Issues"- IF history is any guidepost ! ? And at the 7K #, you can bet just about ALL "agencies" will be getting their JT's - National Park Service, ICE, Border Patrol, FBI, "Homeland Security," Mara Lago maintenance dept. , and the rest is anyones guess . . . .

 

[stil2low]

...because the union told him. We all know the fat cats on top of the union totem pole want nothing but what's best for those below them...

Lol it’s cute how you have no idea how it all works
Our company for example puts out results on how we are doing, price per ton vs cost to make and what our profits have been thus far. When the company is reporting that the order book are packed full, we are making excellent profits and handing out profit sharing cheque’s (after 55 million of sheer profit once bills and taxes are paid we start to get a bonus) but come to us during negotiations saying they want all these recessions? Better have a damn good reason why
Last summer when they came asking for them, they stated it was because of the uncertainty the tariffs would do. When our president presented what they wanted, we said we would accept some, like the 10% pay cut but not all like dropping the support for our retirees that have occupational health problems from the plant. The company dug its heels in saying no it’s all or nothing so we held a vote that if they forced that contract we would strike. Only a vote saying we would strike but sent the message we wouldn’t stand for taking all those recessions
Now there has been years we’ve negotiated when the market was bad and we weren’t making very much and worked with the company to keep it a float by giving up some stuff and not taking a cost of living raise over the set contract time
One time we weren’t making any head way with the company during negotiations, market was fair and we were only trying to get back some of the stuff we let go previous contract. So when it starts to get that close to contract time, we voted to strike if necessary and added that we would train the management side on how to do our jobs to make sure the plant stayed running. Hilarious time training office people in heavy industry, here’s you hat, boots and bundle up it’s crazy hot on the batteries

And just when you think one union is bad, my bosses I answer too are unionized

 

[Onyx Dragon]

Lol it’s cute how you have no idea how it all works
Our company for example puts out results on how we are doing, price per ton vs cost to make and what our profits have been thus far. When the company is reporting that the order book are packed full, we are making excellent profits and handing out profit sharing cheque’s (after 55 million of sheer profit once bills and taxes are paid we start to get a bonus) but come to us during negotiations saying they want all these recessions? Better have a damn good reason why
Last summer when they came asking for them, they stated it was because of the uncertainty the tariffs would do. When our president presented what they wanted, we said we would accept some, like the 10% pay cut but not all like dropping the support for our retirees that have occupational health problems from the plant. The company dug its heels in saying no it’s all or nothing so we held a vote that if they forced that contract we would strike. Only a vote saying we would strike but sent the message we wouldn’t stand for taking all those recessions
Now there has been years we’ve negotiated when the market was bad and we weren’t making very much and worked with the company to keep it a float by giving up some stuff and not taking a cost of living raise over the set contract time
One time we weren’t making any head way with the company during negotiations, market was fair and we were only trying to get back some of the stuff we let go previous contract. So when it starts to get that close to contract time, we voted to strike if necessary and added that we would train the management side on how to do our jobs to make sure the plant stayed running. Hilarious time training office people in heavy industry, here’s you hat, boots and bundle up it’s crazy hot on the batteries

And just when you think one union is bad, my bosses I answer too are unionized

What's really cute is how you think all unions are like that.

New employee is approached by three big union ladies: "Hey. So we are having our monthly raffle. Everyone puts in $20. Winner of the raffle takes the proceeds.

New employee: Oh, sorry. I just started here after being out of work for close to a year. I really can't even afford $20. I'll be glad to join in the raffle next month, though!

Union ladies taking a step towards him: Oh, no, you are giving us the $20. It is not optional.
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Grocery store union to employee: "Look, we know it wasn't your fault, you weren't even on the schedule. Sorry, but we don't want to make waves right now, so just take the punishment.
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Don't get me wrong, not all unions are bad. My dad use to drive long haul. He worked for a non-union job and the guy try to have him drive around scales because he was illegally loaded. My dad stayed there about 2 weeks and left. Became an owner operator instead and played by the rules. The company he contracted out to was union and while he wasn't in that union as an independent owner operator, because he supported unions, they always went to bat for him...though the company he worked for didn't even ask for him to do anything illegal, and stopped drivers who tried to sneak by without involving the union (occasionally you find company owners with morals)

But when you are ready to strike MONTHS before negotiations BEGIN, that tells you something. As for saving up, you should have 6 months of savings to begin with, just in case something happens.

 

[Lou3.6]

What's really cute is how you think all unions are like that.

New employee is approached by three big union ladies: "Hey. So we are having our monthly raffle. Everyone puts in $20. Winner of the raffle takes the proceeds.

New employee: Oh, sorry. I just started here after being out of work for close to a year. I really can't even afford $20. I'll be glad to join in the raffle next month, though!

Union ladies taking a step towards him: Oh, no, you are giving us the $20. It is not optional.
-----------------------------------------

Grocery store union to employee: "Look, we know it wasn't your fault, you weren't even on the schedule. Sorry, but we don't want to make waves right now, so just take the punishment.
------------------------------------------

Don't get me wrong, not all unions are bad. My dad use to drive long haul. He worked for a non-union job and the guy try to have him drive around scales because he was illegally loaded. My dad stayed there about 2 weeks and left. Became an owner operator instead and played by the rules. The company he contracted out to was union and while he wasn't in that union as an independent owner operator, because he supported unions, they always went to bat for him...though the company he worked for didn't even ask for him to do anything illegal, and stopped drivers who tried to sneak by without involving the union (occasionally you find company owners with morals)

But when you are ready to strike MONTHS before negotiations BEGIN, that tells you something. As for saving up, you should have 6 months of savings to begin with, just in case something happens.

To quote someone "in the know" (not at all true!); ". . . and there are good people on both sides . . ." ! UGH, I can't believe I even "went there" ! As a matter, of FACT, the Majority of "middle class" America (what's left of us), have NO or Very Little in the way of savings OR ENOUGH cash flow in their checking to cover all their bills in any given month ! Payday lenders are "in the know!". Know why that is ? Well, there are countless reasons, as many as there are people in that situation, little doubt ! Being in a union is NOT one of them . We've all heard the stories about hard liners in Unions and all the "rest" ! I believe the Benefits out way the temporary setbacks some members may encounter ! I honestly don't have any 1st hand experience (no Navy unions, ha); only that of my step-dad local N.Y. Machinists Union ('60's/'70's style) ! Pay & conditions were tough, as I recall, and the dues seemed fair and the benefits were nice ! If it weren't for the Union, and its Medical Benefit, my Step-dad would of lost a finger . . . but instead the coverage paid in full for repair and recovery . . . and the finger was saved (and nearly fully functional hand) . The Annual Union picnics were great (no Company picnic). Meanwhile . . . those making over, say, 200K or more a year . . . DO ! Early bird gets the worm, better to be ProActive, then Reactive - after the fact ! So I guess . . . we all walk in different shoes, we all grew up with different life altering adult supervision . . . which ultimately Influences our own opinions .
Which is why agreeing to disagree, WITHOUT pulling out a firearm and blowing people away . . . is a GOOD thing !

 

[ads75]

But when you are ready to strike MONTHS before negotiations BEGIN, that tells you something. As for saving up, you should have 6 months of savings to begin with, just in case something happens.

The earlier they start preparing the better. Hopefully it just turns to be a savings account they don't need to use. They know they don't have a contract now, why is it a bad idea to start planning for the worst now? The contract probably has a definitive end date. That doesn't necessarily mean they will go on strike on that date. Why wait until the last minute? Would you rather them not plan and go into credit card debt at a moments notice? I don't know if you watched the news earlier this year, but the unexpected federal government put a lot of people in a bad spot. Should people have 6 months of savings, yes. But the reality is many people live paycheck to paycheck. Do you think its easier to save $200 a paycheck until negotiations begin, or $1000/paycheck once they begin? Telling people to be prepared is smart. Also, you seem to be criticizing the union for telling their membership to be prepared, do you even know what FCA wants them to potentially give up? Do you know what FCAs starting offer is?

 

[stil2low]

What's really cute is how you think all unions are like that.

New employee is approached by three big union ladies: "Hey. So we are having our monthly raffle. Everyone puts in $20. Winner of the raffle takes the proceeds.

New employee: Oh, sorry. I just started here after being out of work for close to a year. I really can't even afford $20. I'll be glad to join in the raffle next month, though!

Union ladies taking a step towards him: Oh, no, you are giving us the $20. It is not optional.
-----------------------------------------

Grocery store union to employee: "Look, we know it wasn't your fault, you weren't even on the schedule. Sorry, but we don't want to make waves right now, so just take the punishment.
------------------------------------------

Don't get me wrong, not all unions are bad. My dad use to drive long haul. He worked for a non-union job and the guy try to have him drive around scales because he was illegally loaded. My dad stayed there about 2 weeks and left. Became an owner operator instead and played by the rules. The company he contracted out to was union and while he wasn't in that union as an independent owner operator, because he supported unions, they always went to bat for him...though the company he worked for didn't even ask for him to do anything illegal, and stopped drivers who tried to sneak by without involving the union (occasionally you find company owners with morals)

But when you are ready to strike MONTHS before negotiations BEGIN, that tells you something. As for saving up, you should have 6 months of savings to begin with, just in case something happens.

Your first example I’m not sure what it is about, unless it’s suppose to reference dues. I’ve worked a few different unions when I was late teens early twenties before getting into the plant, but not one have I ever been forced to pay anything outside my dues
Second example is either a spineless steward or chairs and is need of an overhaul.

And like I said before, this early is not uncommon to start talks to see where each side sits, and if the union is coming back saying hey it doesn’t look good prepare for the worst this early it simply means they have the feeling the company is digging their heels in and not wanting to move forward with market conditions
Also this is a Jeep forum, who you kidding we have money saved up hahahahaha we all broke

 

[Carlton]

This thread has become a shit show and should be closed.

JLEngineLine was cool enough to give us information, instead of giving thanks, members ruin it with bitching about unions.

Newsflash, nobody cares about your opinions. STFU and keep the talk jeep related...

 

[robaw]

This thread had become a shit show and should be closed.

JLEngineLine was cool enough to give us information, instead of giving thanks, members ruin it with bitching about unions.

Newsflash, nobody cares about your opinions. STFU and keep the talk jeep related...

 

[UKCATS]

If a thread bothers/bores/annoys me, I just don’t open it.

 

[Carlton]

If a thread bothers/bores/annoys me, I just don’t open it.

The forum is to be about the JL not complaints and arguments about people feelings... That is all I will say.

 

[VNT]

That is nice of the Feds purchasing the first 7000 units to beta test and give fast feed back on any problems, very smart on Jeeps part!

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