TrailRecon- Engine Failure

[jeepingib]

but jeep engineers designed it and know whats best!

Yeah, just like they designed the aluminum panels that are fraught with corrosion, the rear axle sensor that should be potted from the factory, the aluminum gear box, the software for the radio, poor caster angle, clutch for the manual.... Anything designed by man can fail. Especially when designed by man and then approved by committee.

I find it so odd that people who are quick to modify their vehicles for other components, wheels and tires, bumpers, winch, etc, are some of the ones that at times vehemently refuse to modify anything drivetrain related and rely on the engineering from the factory as the gospel truth. The hypocrisy astounds me honestly.

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[jeepingib]

at quick glance of your avatar i thought you were @SadRobot

Solidarity in engine failure.

 

[SadRobot]

Solidarity in engine failure.

I lost 1 health this morning with a wrong engine delivery. At this moment there is no eta on when I will get one to install so I may have to even knock it down 1 more health.

 

[jeepingib]

I lost 1 health this morning with a wrong engine delivery. At this moment there is no eta on when I will get one to install so I may have to even knock it down 1 more health.

I debated whether I should start at 1 or not. I have limited driving it unless essential, but it is still operable.

 

[CarbonSteel]

Jerry told me this when I messaged him.

Check engine light for 5W-30? What a load of bovine scatology...

 

[Jeep Junkie]

Check engine light for 5W-30? What a load of bovine scatology...

Yeah, and I was hoping he would become the Car Care Nut of the Jeep world

 

[Jeep Junkie]

It is crazy how Toyotas survive on 0w-20. One Tundra hit a million miles recently, hauling crap all over the country, 0w-20 every 10,000 miles

 

[Aonarch]

This is all down to the Teflon coating on the rockers. I'm not a powertrain engineer, but that just sounds like the dumbest idea ever. What is wrong with good old fashioned rollers? They work great.

Cost cutting exercise? Teflon isn't going to hold up anywhere near as well as a roller rocker.

 

[Jeep Junkie]

Guys, can Aftermarket not step in and beef up our Pentastar's thingies? Jeep Aftermarket is the best.

 

[Ratbert]

Guys, can Aftermarket not step in and beef up our Pentastar's thingies? Jeep Aftermarket is the best.

Absolutely. This one is about $90k. https://amw4x4.com/collections/conversions/products/amw-1000-hellephant-engine-conversion-jl

 

[Jeep Junkie]

Absolutely. This one is about $90k. https://amw4x4.com/collections/conversions/products/amw-1000-hellephant-engine-conversion-jl

No, I was just talking about the little thingies in the Pentastar's head that go bad. When you are replacing them, then do not go OEM again, put better aftermarket ones

 

[Jeep Junkie]

Guys, pounce on it before it's gone. An un opened case of 3 for 75 bucks

 

[Jeep Junkie]

Guys, for 800 bucks I'm not going to the stupid dealer for warranty. They will make it worse. I'm in touch with my trusted mechanic just in case, he did a solid job with my regear and lift kit. He's an awesome little business owner, I will be watching him when he is replacing the thingies

 

[TheRaven]

I find it so odd that people who are quick to modify their vehicles for other components, wheels and tires, bumpers, winch, etc, are some of the ones that at times vehemently refuse to modify anything drivetrain related and rely on the engineering from the factory as the gospel truth. The hypocrisy astounds me honestly.

That's a very strange take. Lots of us are quick to modify wheels/tires/lift/bumpers...not because we think those components are "weak links" or underdesigned...but because we want to either add a capability that the vehicle doesn't currently have, improve a capability that it does have, or we just like the appearance. Really has nothing to do with how the vehicle was engineered. Hell most of us realize that our mods are more likely to make the vehicle MORE problematic, not less.

As for relying "on the engineering from the factory as the gospel truth" - that's also hyperbole. It's more like we simply aren't so self-absorbed that we believe we know better than people that design vehicles for a living.

 

[jeepingib]

That's a very strange take. Lots of us are quick to modify wheels/tires/lift/bumpers...not because we think those components are "weak links" or underdesigned...but because we want to either add a capability that the vehicle doesn't currently have, improve a capability that it does have, or we just like the appearance. Really has nothing to do with how the vehicle was engineered. Hell most of us realize that our mods are more likely to make the vehicle MORE problematic, not less.

As for relying "on the engineering from the factory as the gospel truth" - that's also hyperbole. It's more like we simply aren't so self-absorbed that we believe we know better than people that design vehicles for a living.

So when something isn't performing as well as you would like it to, you alter it to perform better. So why is it such a leap of logic that if the engine isn't performing as you would like it to, to alter something to make it perform better? Automotive engineers themselves do this all the time. There are new revisions to parts constantly because they noticed a shortcoming with something, or found a more efficient way to do something. The oil cooler on the 3.6 is a recent example of this with both a new part from the manufacturer to address a problem, new gasket and cooler design for 23+, and also an aftermarket supplier designing a part to address the problem, Dorman aluminum cooler. This is a shortcoming that techs and owners have identified years before it was addressed. Seems silly to think that we should only rely on the manufacturer to address problems. The locker sensor is another good example. We owners realized that there was an issue all the way back in 2018 when the JL came out. And it was owners and forum members that understood what was happening, and how to fix it. I don't recall when @chevymitchell first created his step by step guide assisting everyone, but I know it was years before Jeep even acknowledged that there was an issue.

Engineers are human. Not everything can be foreseen either. But to say that only the engineers can understand and develop a solution to a problem is not sensible.

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