Thinking the unthinkable

[Canjeeper]

You would be surprised. I have driven from Ft Worth to the Oklahoma State line and back. When I lived in AZ I would drive around with my windshield down.

I have driven Jeeps with the windshield down hundreds of miles in the winter and summer.

But what is important is that it is what makes a Jeep a Jeep

40 years ago i used to drop the windshield from time to time only for slow off road use . but the novelty wore off . I am not apposed to a bolt on window frame for ease of repair for damage . one of the things i liked about the original Jeeps was ease of repair . That has now left the building.

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[Retrograde]

... At least it's easier to do on the JL, but the roll structure negates the folded windshield profile and the winshield is still a chunky look on the hood, but better than the curved JK windshield is.

I dunno... I think the JK looks far better than the JL with the windscreen down. Both are curved and goofy looking laying out there on the hood, but with the JL's retention of the windscreen roll-frame, why bother? It would have been far simpler to just be able to pop out the glass, as the net effect would have been the same.

I could certainly do without the folding windscreen; the time spent designing the folding windscreen would have been far better spent engineering a competent steering apparatus and fixing the shitshow electronics.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Yeah, I would like it if the roll over protection in the JL was modular and it could be removed easily. But then there's the whole liability issue.

 

[Retrograde]

Yeah, I would like it if the roll over protection in the JL was modular and it could be removed easily. But then there's the whole liability issue.

Screw the liability. If I could sign a waver and get a re-issue '79 CJ5, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Well, you can buy a Mahindra Roxor which is kinda like a CJ5, CJ6 and CJ7 all mashed together.

 

[Old Jeeper]

Yep my goal was to trade in my 97TJ for a 2003 Rubi in Inca Gold with it's industry first 31" inch tires but my wife to be wanted a house instead...roll eyes.

Its the old saying: IF ___'She'_______ is NOT happy, NO ONE is happy...so we fold tent and move on hoping to trade her whatever for a gadget for our existing jeep...

 

[Old Jeeper]

Well, you can buy a Mahindra Roxor which is kinda like a CJ5, CJ6 and CJ7 all mashed together.

We have a dealer in S Tx they sell a few for ranch work but not even sure if the are streetable. Max speed if 55 mph, 5 .38 gears, 144 lbs of torque. They good cars and share a bunch with Jeep and Fiat in going after them because they look to much like a Jeep. They could not compete with the lowest level of Jeep. No heat, AC o rmuch else. But for ranch work I guess there is a use, just not sure what it would be. My ranch rig is a F 450 and its nothing to carry 4000 lbs in the bed of it, not happen with the Mahindra. Plus they are $20-28k

 

[The Last Cowboy]

You have to remember when just about every ranch around here had a CJ of some sort on it. I used to see them loaded down with fencing materials, or pulling trailers with a welding rig, hay or water. Many got turned into hunting rigs after they stopped running cattle. CJs, Broncos, FJ40s, Scouts. Most of them never left the property, or least never went further than the closest store.

A Roxor can be made street legal. There are kits to do it and companies that do conversions. They look better with a CJ grille. The latest facelift that they were forced to do, because of the FCA lawsuit, looks weird. But a CJ front end will still bolt right on.

Now, no one will ever take a road trip in one. But on a ranch, in a beach town or mountain town, or as a dedicated trail rig, one of those would be great.

On farms, I remember the wife would have a full size sedan, which was also the going on a trip or going to church car, the husband had a 1/2 ton pickup, then there was a 1 ton or larger truck for heavy work that never had many miles on it and would never be sold, only parked when a new one was bought about every decade or so.

These days almost all trucks are crew cabs and they are nicely equipped. You can take a road trip in one or pull a loaded stock trailer down to the sale barn with it. No need to have separate vehicles for each chore.

Also, as I'm sure you remember, there was a time when most CJs were either on farms, ranches or job sites. It was rare to see one in town as a daily driver. Then the CJ7 came out and, in my opinion, that was Jeep's most important vehicle that kept the Jeep as we know it alive. The CJ7 is the first Wrangler in a way. It was available with a hard top and full hard doors, automatic, AC, fancy packages, power steering and brakes, etc. If it wasn't for the CJ7, there would be no wranglers today. That's when you really started to see Jeeps in town and being used as daily drivers.

A Super Duty is more of a jack of all trades ranch truck these days. It's good for everything, but not great at any one thing. If I owned a big enough piece of property/ranch I'd rather have an F150 for long trips and light work, and a plain F450/550 with a flatbed for the heavy work, and an old CJ or similar for running around the property.

 

[imperial4ever]

You have to remember when just about every ranch around here had a CJ of some sort on it. I used to see them loaded down with fencing materials, or pulling trailers with a welding rig, hay or water. Many got turned into hunting rigs after they stopped running cattle. CJs, Broncos, FJ40s, Scouts. Most of them never left the property, or least never went further than the closest store.

A Roxor can be made street legal. There are kits to do it and companies that do conversions. They look better with a CJ grille. The latest facelift that they were forced to do, because of the FCA lawsuit, looks weird. But a CJ front end will still bolt right on.

Now, no one will ever take a road trip in one. But on a ranch, in a beach town or mountain town, or as a dedicated trail rig, one of those would be great.

On farms, I remember the wife would have a full size sedan, which was also the going on a trip or going to church car, the husband had a 1/2 ton pickup, then there was a 1 ton or larger truck for heavy work that never had many miles on it and would never be sold, only parked when a new one was bought about every decade or so.

These days almost all trucks are crew cabs and they are nicely equipped. You can take a road trip in one or pull a loaded stock trailer down to the sale barn with it. No need to have separate vehicles for each chore.

Also, as I'm sure you remember, there was a time when most CJs were either on farms, ranches or job sites. It was rare to see one in town as a daily driver. Then the CJ7 came out and, in my opinion, that was Jeep's most important vehicle that kept the Jeep as we know it alive. The CJ7 is the first Wrangler in a way. It was available with a hard top and full hard doors, automatic, AC, fancy packages, power steering and brakes, etc. If it wasn't for the CJ7, there would be no wranglers today. That's when you really started to see Jeeps in town and being used as daily drivers.

A Super Duty is more of a jack of all trades ranch truck these days. It's good for everything, but not great at any one thing. If I owned a big enough piece of property/ranch I'd rather have an F150 for long trips and light work, and a plain F450/550 with a flatbed for the heavy work, and an old CJ or similar for running around the property.

Remember when consumer reports test drove the CJ7 and it rolled several times deeming the vehicle unsafe. Did this not kill the CJ and introduce to the world in 1987, the YJ with it's well received square headlights..lol

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Remember when consumer reports test drove the CJ7 and it rolled several times deeming the vehicle unsafe. Did this not kill the CJ and introduce to the world in 1987, the YJ with it's well received square headlights..lol

I didn't like the square headlights of the YJ that much, but I like the rest of it enough to buy one. The YJ, had a lot of CJ7 in it.

 

[Old Jeeper]

I didn't like the square headlights of the YJ that much, but I like the rest of it enough to buy one. The YJ, had a lot of CJ7 in it.

X 2 on that YJ

 

[Old Jeeper]

You have to remember when just about every ranch around here had a CJ of some sort on it. I used to see them loaded down with fencing materials, or pulling trailers with a welding rig, hay or water. Many got turned into hunting rigs after they stopped running cattle. CJs, Broncos, FJ40s, Scouts. Most of them never left the property, or least never went further than the closest store.

A Roxor can be made street legal. There are kits to do it and companies that do conversions. They look better with a CJ grille. The latest facelift that they were forced to do, because of the FCA lawsuit, looks weird. But a CJ front end will still bolt right on.

Now, no one will ever take a road trip in one. But on a ranch, in a beach town or mountain town, or as a dedicated trail rig, one of those would be great.

On farms, I remember the wife would have a full size sedan, which was also the going on a trip or going to church car, the husband had a 1/2 ton pickup, then there was a 1 ton or larger truck for heavy work that never had many miles on it and would never be sold, only parked when a new one was bought about every decade or so.

These days almost all trucks are crew cabs and they are nicely equipped. You can take a road trip in one or pull a loaded stock trailer down to the sale barn with it. No need to have separate vehicles for each chore.

Also, as I'm sure you remember, there was a time when most CJs were either on farms, ranches or job sites. It was rare to see one in town as a daily driver. Then the CJ7 came out and, in my opinion, that was Jeep's most important vehicle that kept the Jeep as we know it alive. The CJ7 is the first Wrangler in a way. It was available with a hard top and full hard doors, automatic, AC, fancy packages, power steering and brakes, etc. If it wasn't for the CJ7, there would be no wranglers today. That's when you really started to see Jeeps in town and being used as daily drivers.

A Super Duty is more of a jack of all trades ranch truck these days. It's good for everything, but not great at any one thing. If I owned a big enough piece of property/ranch I'd rather have an F150 for long trips and light work, and a plain F450/550 with a flatbed for the heavy work, and an old CJ or similar for running around the property.

I used my John Deer tractors for the small and odd jobs and my F 450 for the heavy stuff like hauling rocks for projects and building with. The prime reason is my Truck Camper. Weighs 5990 lbs, need a lot of truck to carry that load.

 

[imperial4ever]

I didn't like the square headlights of the YJ that much, but I like the rest of it enough to buy one. The YJ, had a lot of CJ7 in it.

Neither did the rest of the world, which brought back the original round headlights on the 1997 TJ which I think debuted in the Spring of 1996 as a 1997. Chrysler skipped model year 1996 entirely on the YJ. My friend bought a new 1997 TJ in the Summer of 1996 and a quick drive through Valley Forge National Park in Pa where I live with the soft top down sold me and I order one from the factory and took delivery in February 1997 as seen in my profile pic taken by the sales person.

 

[Shibadog]

Well, you can buy a Mahindra Roxor which is kinda like a CJ5, CJ6 and CJ7 all mashed together.

With a touch of CJ2A thrown in.?

 

[UtahDirt]

I own a 2012 Impreza and I will never own another Subaru. The CVT transmission is a money making device for Subaru. Compared to the Honda's I had before, it has had far more niggling issues. The boxer engines are oil consuming beasts after about 75,000 miles. I put in a quart between 1,200 miles post oil change and before the 3,000 mile change interval. Just a single data point based on my experiences.

Yeah, 2012 is so 11 years ago, CVT, oil burning, head gaskets are old news today.

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