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Great , just no crying if your driveline warranty is ever needed .

I wasn't talking about clutch warranty , only drive line .

Stellantis loves it, when Manual JL /JT Jeep owners buy aftermarket clutches , no money out the door and warranty / CAFE deniability .

Have you considered a head gasket / crack issue .

Do you remember when Toyota replaced entire frames on Tacoma"s that had a rust problem ? Seems like they chose a very expensive option . wonder how they are doing ?

Seems like the new European owners dont care . How can we send them a message ???

You need to use your Jeep as it was originally intended, not as a commuter car to make you feel good . How are you resolving your lack of low end torque? or is it ok for you on pavement ? plus i never asked for your opinion . but thanks .

there is fuel in Tuk as well . it had the cheapest diesel .

well then you have your answer .

Do you remember asking for advise on ordering a manual JL , and then disregarding the consensus ? hows that working out?

Who ever thought you were smart ?

Have you compared it with a old TJ Rubicon , back to back. on the same extreme trail ?

Is that all ya got Siggy ? ... why not come back with why your employee Stellantis is not supporting the manual transmission buyers .

Someone needs to compare their 18 up Manual Rubicon to the 03 06 Rubicon's . You need not only a aftermarket clutch plus re gear but also a high torque engine . If you do more then light trails .

Your pretty proud of those pictures arent you . how many times have you posted them?

What you should do,is debate the fact that Jeep put a manual behind a low torque engine,and then gave it a light weight flywheel. Dont call names and run away .

The only people who love the JL manuals are the ones who never use it off road ,to the extent of its capability's . And they are ruining it for the ones that do .

Yes it has very little off idle torque, was not noticed as much in the JK because of the heavier flywheel . Compare a 03 to 06 Rubicon with a 2018 and newer Rubicon ,in deep sand /mud/snow you would be amazed at how poor the new ones are .

I would keep an eye on it , def not normal .

What are your thoughts then, on the original safety recall W 12 ?