Thinking about 4Xe

[aldo98229]

I had been waiting for Toyota to publish its all-new 2024 Tacoma —and by extension Land Cruiser— MPG numbers. Turns out they are disappointing. Especially for hybrids.

A somewhat nearby Jeep dealer has some juicy discounts on 4Xe leases. They have several Saharas listed for $15,000 ($7,500 off + $7,500 instant credit/rebate).

I work from home and live in a small city of 90,000 people; most of my runs are 5 miles or less. Which means I should be able to go without fueling up for weeks.

I swore years ago I wouldn’t lease again but these discounts are tempting.

Thoughts?

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[DewHawk]

I had been waiting for Toyota to publish its all-new 2024 Tacoma —and by extension Land Cruiser— MPG numbers. Turns out they are disappointing. Especially for hybrids.

A somewhat nearby Jeep dealer has some juicy discounts on 4Xe leases. They have several Saharas listed for $15,000 ($7,500 off + $7,500 instant credit/rebate).

I work from home and live in a small city of 90,000 people; most of my runs are 5 miles or less. Which means I should be able to go without fueling up for weeks.

I swore years ago I wouldn’t lease again but these discounts are tempting.

Thoughts?

Lease is perfect for a 4xe. Definitely DO NOT BUY new. Too many issues going on with them right now to commit yourself to that much of a potential headache. Personally based on your use case, I feel like a standard 2.0L Turbo is less of a risk overall but if you're willing to put up with the 4xe's many issues that MIGHT affect you, go for it. I've owned 2 now and while my first one was a total peach, this new one is already giving me issues and they're the typical bullshit ones that almost every 4xe has.

 

[BXFXJeep]

For your daily driving needs the 4xe is a great choice, long distance mpg is really not much different than the 3.6 or 2.0, smaller tank irks some people, personally after 4 hours of driving I want to stop and stretch etc.

Savings on all electric driving vs gas boils down to price of vs .

Toronto it cost about $1.50 to fully charge, same 21 mile range on gas will cost $8, so huge savings. Most of my trips are under 10 miles, and usually I do about 25 - 30 miles a day, topping up between some trips.

If you haven't test driven a 4xe take it for a spin.

Don't, and absolutely don't slam on the gas pedal as many people would suggest, that experience is ? at best.

Think about driving in electric as a trolling motor on a boat.

Try to test drive one fully charged.

Having the gas motor constantly firing up for no reason other than slamming on the gas pedal may cause FORM issues, and I find the behaviour to be a bit Frankenstein, I also hate the stop start on the regular Wranglers.

Looks like you live in WA, so heating steering and seats is a good idea, the HVAC chews into the range.

Sky One-Touch also goes well in cooler temps.

 

[bjm00se]

If you sign up with the EV rate with your utility company, what's the charge per kWh?

 

[aldo98229]

For your daily driving needs the 4xe is a great choice, long distance mpg is really not much different than the 3.6 or 2.0, smaller tank irks some people, personally after 4 hours of driving I want to stop and stretch etc.

Savings on all electric driving vs gas boils down to price of vs .

Toronto it cost about $1.50 to fully charge, same 21 mile range on gas will cost $8, so huge savings. Most of my trips are under 10 miles, and usually I do about 25 - 30 miles a day, topping up between some trips.

If you haven't test driven a 4xe take it for a spin.

Don't, and absolutely don't slam on the gas pedal as many people would suggest, that experience is ? at best.

Think about driving in electric as a trolling motor on a boat.

Try to test drive one fully charged.

Having the gas motor constantly firing up for no reason other than slamming on the gas pedal may cause FORM issues, and I find the behaviour to be a bit Frankenstein, I also hate the stop start on the regular Wranglers.

Looks like you live in WA, so heating steering and seats is a good idea, the HVAC chews into the range.

Sky One-Touch also goes well in cooler temps.

Yes. I test drove a 4Xe years ago. The salesman suggested I mash the throttle to the floor; that didn't end well. The vehicle hesitated for several seconds while it decided what to do; then the 2.0T went screaming to the top of its lungs.

It was a total turnoff. I ended turning around, driving back to the dealership, getting out of the 4Xe and driving straight home. Besides, that is not how I normally drive Jeeps.

Two things that have me nervous:

1. I continue to read posts from 4Xe owners having all sorts of electrical issues, and dealers seem unable to fix them in a timely matter
2. My local Jeep dealer is worthless. I am looking to buy from a dealer in Seattle, 100 miles away. I don't even want to think what a nightmare it would be having to drive 100 miles multiple times to have the same thing fixed. Even worse, if the Jeep needs to be towed, Roadside Assistance would simply drop it off at the nearest Jeep dealer, which is simply atrocious

 

[GrayWolf.Overland]

Hi Aldo, once a jeeper always a jeeper.. I can totally empathize with the pull.

I started on the same question during summer:
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/leaning-towards-getting-a-4xe.114834/

ended up getting a 4xe last month. Based on your driving pattern you will actually not fill up much - excluding the time you are out on trails per month.

Leasing is a good idea if there are a lot of incentives. I bought it with trade-in and was going to decide to keep it on at the 3-year mark when closing in on warranty expiry.

If you do decide on getting one, I would highly recommend the Willys trim - best value package in 2024 (if you didnt want a Rubicon).

 

[GrayWolf.Overland]

Yes. I test drove a 4Xe years ago. The salesman suggested I mash the throttle to the floor; that didn't end well. The vehicle hesitated for several seconds while it decided what to do; then the 2.0T went screaming to the top of its lungs.

It was a total turnoff. I ended turning around, driving back to the dealership, getting out of the 4Xe and driving straight home. Besides, that is not how I normally drive Jeeps.

Two things that have me nervous:

1. I continue to read posts from 4Xe owners having all sorts of electrical issues, and dealers seem unable to fix them in a timely matter
2. My local Jeep dealer is worthless. I am looking to buy from a dealer in Seattle, 100 miles away. I don't even want to think what a nightmare it would be having to drive 100 miles multiple times to have the same thing fixed. Even worse, if the Jeep needs to be towed, Roadside Assistance would simply drop it off at the nearest Jeep dealer, which is simply atrocious

If you want to test mashing the throttle make sure you put it in 4H-Auto before doing that... 2H has some nanny control where the computer hyper optimizes for slow as F driving.

 

[aldo98229]

If you sign up with the EV rate with your utility company, what's the charge per kWh?

I don't really know. Currently, I pay $25/month in electricity for a 3-br 1,500 sq. ft home.

Furnace, water heater and stove are gas; dryer is electric. So it is not that expensive.

 

[bjm00se]

4xe gets "49mpge" (worst unit of measure ever, but I digress) which translates to roughly 1.5 mi/kWh. That's a pretty horrible efficiency for an EV, but Wrangler is a heavy shoebox. So it's not surprising.

Anyhow, If you've got relatively cheap electricity available, let's say 12¢/kWh then your fuel cost per mile is gonna be 8¢ per mile, when tooling around town on electric.

If you're paying $3.80 per gallon for gas, then your cost per mile while operating on Dino Juice is 19¢ per mile.

Not to mention the fun of tooling around quietly while keeping it in full electric mode.

So IF you can plug it in at your house, and your non-peak electricity rate is cheap, and you can discipline yourself to keep the factory Sahara tires/wheels which are reasonably low rolling resistance

THEN you can reasonably expect to take advantage of low lease prices and be tooling around in a new Jeep for reasonably affordable money.

Repeat after me: "Must. Not. Put. On. Big. Tires."

 

[DewHawk]

Repeat after me: "Must. Not. Put. On. Big. Tires."

If you're looking for maximum range, yes. If you wanna hit some serious trails, good luck leaving it alone. 35's are great on the Willys and Rubi trims because they don't really change the range much (maybe a loss of like 1-2 electric miles). If you're like me on 37's with a ton of extra weight, you'll see anywhere from 16-18mpg (not mpge) and about 22-24 electric miles on battery alone (and that's super dependent on how much HVAC you're using regardless of heat or a/c).

 

[laroo]

I had been waiting for Toyota to publish its all-new 2024 Tacoma —and by extension Land Cruiser— MPG numbers. Turns out they are disappointing. Especially for hybrids.

A somewhat nearby Jeep dealer has some juicy discounts on 4Xe leases. They have several Saharas listed for $15,000 ($7,500 off + $7,500 instant credit/rebate).

I work from home and live in a small city of 90,000 people; most of my runs are 5 miles or less. Which means I should be able to go without fueling up for weeks.

I swore years ago I wouldn’t lease again but these discounts are tempting.

Thoughts?

Jeep does have the best service, so you're well-covered if anything goes wrong. Try Rairdon's of Bellingham...

Seriously, the lease incentives on the 4xe's make for excellent deals, whether you want to buyout immediately or turn back in at lease end (Tip: Never just turn in a Jeep lease, sell to a dealer 3+ months out from lease end). My 4xe is my 5th Wrangler, and it is by far my favorite. I'm worried about longevity, but it's a blast to drive.

But, you would be purchasing a complex drivetrain with, as you know, shit service to back it up if any problems come up.

 

[laroo]

Also, I assumed you were trolling us here, but your replies look like you might be serious. What was the over/under here on Aldo coming back?

 

[258_T18A]

It's perfect for someone with a 5 mile commute. Just don't park it inside of any structure you don't want to burn to the ground.

 

[Flying Dave]

Similar situation to mine and it works great for how much I drive. My ballpark is 5 cents per mile on power, 20-25 cents on gas. Commonly go 1,000 miles before needing to fill up. Agree with the lease, look at your residual in 3 years if it's worth more keep it or sell it, if it's a lot less give it back. You also have 3 years to figure out if reliable enough and it's an easy out if not. Sahara and I don't off road. Cold weather reduces battery only range, I went from 28-29 miles in summer to 20 now, but it's been single digits last couple mornings.

 

[aldo98229]

Repeat after me: "Must. Not. Put. On. Big. Tires."

Ehem...sorry but those hideous 20-inch wheels and rubber band tires will be first to go.

I’ll need something that can get me comfortably through snow and local forest roads. I should be able to fit 255/75R17 KO2s, which overall measure roughly the same as the OE 255/60R20 all-seasons.

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