Tazer Mini Brake hold issue!!!

[jaymz]

Brake hold feature is very nice. My 911, BMW and MB have it built into them. Its a nice feature. None of my others have every given me any issue.

The Taser implementation worked perfectly fine too. UNTILL someone opens a door. Thats a big issue. My other cars do not release the hold if a door is open. So yes, I wont be using this feature anymore and will only manually hold.

I had no idea that “brake hold” was a thing with any OEM. I can’t think of a single legitimate use for that feature if it locks all 4 wheels.

What “problem” do the OEM’s say they solve with brake hold?

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[Dyolfknip74]

Correct. Lots of cars have this feature built into them now. Basically you use the brake at red lights as normal. But if you push down harder on the brake for 2 seconds, the brake will go into a hold mode.

Taser added that feature to there live settings. Meaning it has to be plugged in for that feature to work. Its useful when you are in a drive through, red light or just need to move your foot for whatever reason without the vehicle moving.

Ya, my bike has it for hill hold, as do the jeeps but with an auto I have never needed it.

 

[SnowyJeep]

UPDATE:

Zuto rerplied to my email saying that this is by design. There system does not allow for any doors to open or any seatbelts to be released or else it will release the brakes.

Thats not exactly a safe and industry normal "brake hold" approach so I will be deactivating it immediately.

None of these caveats are mentioned in there manual, which they said they would add. I'm a little shocked the manual doesn't mention any of this.

So be warned folks that use it! DO NOT open a door or unplug your seatbelt, or else the taser will release the brakes and act like its still holding them. Bummer, I really like that feature. Its partially why I bought this thing.

If for safety reasons they didn't want people to use this feature in situations where a door is opened or a seatbelt unfastened, you'd think they'd put the Jeep in auto-park before releasing the brake. If that's beyond the capability of the Tazer, then their implementation of this feature is inherently unsafe.

Your seatbelt is undone. Therefore it's no longer safe to have this vehicle at a stand still.

 

[BIGW0RM]

I had no idea that “brake hold” was a thing with any OEM. I can’t think of a single legitimate use for that feature if it locks all 4 wheels.

What “problem” do the OEM’s say they solve with brake hold?

Its been around for a few years now. Brakes act normal unless you press them down harder at a red light for a couple seconds and it activates brake hold. Which is simular to hill hold, but it does NOT require you to be on a hill. It works the same way.

Say you are in a drive through and your wallet is in your back pocket. You can just press the brakes down firmly for a couple seconds and it will hold the vehicle stationary. Say you are a red light and need to adjust yourself. Shit like that. I dont use it every single time I come to a stop. But its much easier and quicker than having to hold brakes and slide it into park. Its a convivence thing. Once youve had it, you find many uses for it at random.

 

[laroo]

This is good info for anyone that uses it, thanks for posting @BIGW0RM

I had brake-hold in a couple of vehicles, and I ended up liking it. But I haven't turned it on in my Jeep.

 

[BIGW0RM]

UPDATE:

I just realized that I have AUTO PARK disabled in Taser. If I was using brake hold and someone opened a door, the jeep would activate auto park. Meaning it would take over brake hold and put it into park. That would have saved us from moving.

I need to go test this and I will later. But it seems I might have disabled the safety backup of auto park for this brake hold situation when someone opens a door. My bad on that! I am not use to any form of brake hold releasing when a door is opened. None of my other cars do that.

So it seems that while this brake hold feature has some limitations and oddities of how it works. That auto park goes hand and hand with this to keep it from moving in case a door is opened.

To that end, I might have caused this myself! But I will say that the manual should really make mention of how this taser brake hold works. I assumed disabling auto park just meant I could open a door when rock crawling to see what's going on. Come to find out that it should be enabled if brake hold option is enabled. I didnt know that. And the manual doesnt really hit on this either.

But at least we do now. So I hope what appears to be a self made problem helps others who might be new or not know about these new taser live features.

 

[laroo]

UPDATE:

I just realized that I have AUTO PARK disabled in Taser. If I was using brake hold and someone opened a door, the jeep would activate auto park. Meaning it would take over brake hold and put it into park. That would have saved us from moving.

I need to go test this and I will later. But it seems I might have disabled the safety backup of auto park for this brake hold situation when someone opens a door. My bad on that! I am not use to any form of brake hold releasing when a door is opened. None of my other cars do that.

So it seems that while this brake hold feature has some limitations and oddities of how it works. That auto park goes hand and hand with this to keep it from moving in case a door is opened.

To that end, I might have caused this myself! But I will say that the manual should really make mention of how this taser brake hold works. I assumed disabling auto park just meant I could open a door when rock crawling to see what's going on. Come to find out that it should be enabled if brake hold option is enabled. I didnt know that. And the manual doesnt really hit on this either.

But at least we do now. So I hope what appears to be a self made problem helps others who might be new or not know about these new taser live features.

So you enabled auto-brake, but disabled auto-park? And there was a conflict between the two?

 

[Rhinebeck01]

UPDATE:

I just realized that I have AUTO PARK disabled in Taser. If I was using brake hold and someone opened a door, the jeep would activate auto park. Meaning it would take over brake hold and put it into park. That would have saved us from moving.

I need to go test this and I will later. But it seems I might have disabled the safety backup of auto park for this brake hold situation when someone opens a door. My bad on that! I am not use to any form of brake hold releasing when a door is opened. None of my other cars do that.

So it seems that while this brake hold feature has some limitations and oddities of how it works. That auto park goes hand and hand with this to keep it from moving in case a door is opened.

To that end, I might have caused this myself! But I will say that the manual should really make mention of how this taser brake hold works. I assumed disabling auto park just meant I could open a door when rock crawling to see what's going on. Come to find out that it should be enabled if brake hold option is enabled. I didnt know that.

But at least we do now. So I hope what appears to be a self made problem helps others who might be new or not know about these features too.

I might be wrong, but I think / I do believe factory auto park will only trigger with driver's door opening and not with the passenger door opening.

Test that and let us know what you see I know my testing shows as I mention.

 

[BIGW0RM]

So you enabled auto-brake, but disabled auto-park? And there was a conflict between the two?

It appears that is exactly what I did. I did not know auto park was tied into brake hold. I assumed auto park was only meant to allow me to open a door when rock crawliing to see my wheels with the jeep putting itself into park.

It appears that brake hold's saftey back up is auto park. So that in case anyone does open a door while you are in BRAKE HOLD, that the jeep will then activate auto park to keep you from moving forward. Its not exactly how industry standard brake hold works. But it would have keep me from rolling forward.

The take away here is, if you have brake hold enabled. YOU MUST make sure AUTO park is enabled too. That or brake hold turned on, should automatically force auto park to enabled.

 

[BIGW0RM]

I might be wrong, but I think / believe factory auto park will only trigger with driver's door opening and not with the passenger door opening.

Test that and let us know. I know my testing shows as I mention.

OH really? Well crap. I know brake hold will release if driver or passenger side door is opened. I tested both for that. But if auto park only works with the driver side, then thats not going to help brake hold be safe in case a passenger door is open for whatever reason while in brake hold.

Sounds like I need to just not use brake hold. Because whats the point of trusting it to hold if a door opening releases it. Doors get opened for many reasons at random. I want to know that when Im in brake hold, that IM IN BRAKE HOLD until I press the gas again.

 

[Rhinebeck01]

OH really? Well crap. I know brake hold will release if driver or passenger side door is opened. I tested both for that. But if auto park only works with the driver side, then thats not going to help brake hold be safe in case a door is open for whatever reason while in brake hold.

Sounds like I need to just not use brake hold. Because whats the point of trusting it to hold if a door opening releases it. Doors get opened for many reasons at random. I want to know that when Im in brake hold, that IM IN BRAKE HOLD until I press the gas again.

Do test as I guess there is a slight chance I could be wrong on this.

I know when I need to say check certain things in regard to back up lights and I am alone.... I with engine idling, set parking brake very firmly, place automatic shift in R and then climb over console and open and go out the passenger door. I do this and auto park does not kick in whereas if I went out driver's door auto park kicks in.

Yeah, not the safest move on my part.... but...

 

[BIGW0RM]

Do test as I guess there is a slight chance I could be wrong on this.

I know when I need to say check certain things in regard to back up lights and I am alone.... I with engine idling, set parking brake very firmly, place automatic shift in R and then climb over console and open and go out the passenger door. I do this and auto park does not kick in whereas if I went out driver's door auto park kicks in.

Yeah, not the safest move on my part.... but...

Ok, I will test this again once I get off work as my wife has the Jeep today.

 

[Caliguy]

The vehicle definitly does not auto park if a passenger door is open.. I know this because when I pick people up or drop people off and don’t shift out of drive, I can keep going quickly.

Honestly it seems dangerous for the hold feature to be disabled if passenger door is open.. but also I don’t think the hold feature should be used as a “park” feature. IMO the hold feature is more for drive through as when waiting an exceptionally long time and want to relax your foot or if you’re in traffic for a long time and relax your foot, or at a really long stop light. An argument can be made that if at a school pick up line, relaxing your foot would be a good use of the hold feature but if the door opens it disables, it seems pretty in safe to the passenger, and to others in front of the vehicle.

 

[BIGW0RM]

I think Im just going to disable brake hold and revert auto park back to on. While its a cool feature I use often enough to want it. I dont prefer how it works on the Jeep. Im fine using the shifter to park.

Anyhow, for those that DO use it, be warned! Dont open any doors (I only tested drive and passenger front) while in use! And keep auto park enabled just in case a door does open!

 

[RubiSc0tt]

When you say "brake lock mode" or "brake hold mode", do you mean:

Line lock (locks front wheels for burnouts)
OR
Rock Crawl mode (applies brake pressure at all 4 wheels to hold the vehicle steady while rock crawling)?
OR
Is there some other feature I don't have? I have a Tazer JL Lite, so our options may differ.

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