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This is 100% correct as a tech you are expected to produce more hours than there are in the day each day for production. If you are an awesome tech that can work quickly and still do amazing work that is fine but I know a lot of "techs" I would want to air up the tires in my bicycle!!
Exactly. So while I understand a quality tech having the potential risk to earn less than the actual hours he/works, asking customers to pay by the hour vs the job can incentivize slower work and reward techs who are less than competent/efficient. It's hard to strike a balance.
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I wish techs made 100 per hour! The dealership will charge 150+ per hour of labor but the tech will see 20ish % of that $150
Of course, the tech isn't paying for the physical shop, overhead, and all the indirect labor that supports the process. It might suck at first glance, but it's just math in the end.
Don't get me wrong, I think people should be paid what they're worth. For example, the better performing tech should be paid more than the lower performer. Unfortunately, a lot of folks have an inflated sense of self-worth, and that makes the conversation tough.
 

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just a wild guess but im pretty sure surgeons are not hourly…

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No...they are paid annually, at least at the Mayo Clinic, but in any case, their compensation allows them to take the time to do the job right. Paid a fixed rate per job can cause the tech (or surgeon) to cut corners.
 
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I know for a fact back in the day, a thousand years ago.... mechanics were paid percentage of shop rate, managers made deals with mechanics to be paid shop rate plus any extra they could do. My friend made bank working a Caddy dealer. He would work an 8 hour shift but make 12 to 16 shop rate hours per day.
 

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Dealership make the bulk of their money from the service and parts departments.

And a crap load of money from $100 cabin air filter they charge people like my neighbour. She went in for a recall, they suggested a cabin air filter. I could have done it for free, not sure why they were changing it in the first place, she only bought the thing a few months prior.

If the shop cannot manage their time, or modernize their space and process for doing simple software updates, that is on them.
 

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Dealership make the bulk of their money from the service and parts departments.

And a crap load of money from $100 cabin air filter they charge people like my neighbour. She went in for a recall, they suggested a cabin air filter. I could have done it for free, not sure why they were changing it in the first place, she only bought the thing a few months prior.

If the shop cannot manage their time, or modernize their space and process for doing simple software updates, that is on them.
Do it your self then.
 

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Dang I need to move but that cost of living and cali smog and emissions testing would take any extra money you make!
Eh, this isn't true completely. 99% are still flat rate. We ARE however guaranteed 2x the minimum wage here no matter how many hours we turn. That's currently a bit over 32$ an hour out here. I generally flag 60-70 hours a week here, so I've never had to fall into that guarantee but it's notice knowing if something crazy happens and the shop is dead I'd still get a decent pay check. There are some techs who just aren't efficient and consider that guarantee their actual paycheck as an hourly technician, but most shop managers don't like that.

Can an experienced, well tooled, tech do that recall per flat rate time?
An experienced, well tooled tech would pass on this job. You don't make a paycheck by taking horrendous warranty jobs. Just because you work there doesn't mean you have to take every job that comes into the shop. Generally low paying jobs like these we give to an hourly guy who learns how do them and just does them all. We've got someone like that at my shop for the Pacifica hybrid transmissions which also pay like piss and take nearly two full days to complete. Some shops are slow and have no choice but to take it, but some shops are booked 4+ months out at a time and can afford to refuse jobs like these. A lot of skilled guys don't understand their worth, in most cases they're unfireable these days unless they're playing bumper cars in the parking lot. You fire a tech and that bay could easily remain empty for the next 12 months. My shop had a level 3 tech leave over a year ago and he moved back this month. His stall never got filled so he slotted right back where he was before he left. It's really hard to find people these days.


That being said, I love warranty jobs in most cases. Stellantis thinks it's funny to screw technicians over on labor pay, so I have no qualms plugging a loose connector in and flagging 2.5 S/T for an open circuit wiring repair. You can't charge a customer something outragious, but I'll charge Stellantis all day long. It's why I preach that every jeep owner should buy maxcare if they plan on keeping their vehicle.

And if you're a technician reading this you need to fully understand labor ops and how to stack them. If your manager doesn't let you have access to labor operations in dealer connect you really need to make them give you access. I've helped my co-workers get 2-3 hours more for the most basic repairs. A good example is the high amount of evaporators we're doing on WKs. They'd flag the 5.2 for the evaporator, but the warranty admin didn't know to flag the 1.2 for the a/c evac/recharge or the free 0.9 hours for diagnosis. Money just being left on the table and Stellantis admins just rubbing their greedy hands hoping shops miss out on valid lops.


I know for a fact back in the day, a thousand years ago.... mechanics were paid percentage of shop rate, managers made deals with mechanics to be paid shop rate plus any extra they could do. My friend made bank working a Caddy dealer. He would work an 8 hour shift but make 12 to 16 shop rate hours per day.
Some of the older guys at my shop said the shop used to split the labor 50/50 with the technician. Those days are long behind us, unfortunately. If you're a highly skilled technician you could swing maybe ~25% of the door rate these days.
 
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Many years ago I was a line tech, first for a large Chrysler dealership and then for one of the largest Mercedes dealerships in the Western US. I later moved up to Shop Foreman, Service Manager and then Service Director...Tech's back then and now are paid flat-rate at these dealerships. This does not include helpers or what is ofter called 'fast lane' services such as oil changes.

A skilled line tech has a substantial investment in tools...The average person would be shocked at just how expensive top tier tools such as Snap-On are! Hell, you can easily spend fifteen thousand dollars on just an empty tool box! The dealers I worked for all had 'specialist' techs for various tasks, this works better for both the tech and the customer. A skilled tech, with the proper speciality tools can usually meet flat-rate time but the greedy auto manufactures are making it harder and harder all the time! Key is having the right tools, (even if the dealer has some special tools, having to go look for and or wait while someone else is using them is a time and $$$ killer) knowing the process, looking for any potential ways to improve efficiency of a task and being OCD ORGANIZED!

I suggest if you don't do your own wrenching, find a good service department and service advisor, form a good professional relationship and when the situation warrants, don't be shy about offering a fair tip!
 

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Some of the older guys at my shop said the shop used to split the labor 50/50 with the technician. Those days are long behind us, unfortunately. If you're a highly skilled technician you could swing maybe ~25% of the door rate these days.
Thankfully, you make considerably more now. Overhead costs have skyrocketed since the times of the old men. That doesn’t justify a 300k salary.
 

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Do it your self then.
Do what myself warranty work?

Before the 4xe I very rarely went back to the dealership to work on my Wranglers, most likely why I never had issues with them.

We will see what happens with the 4xe, so far so good, I've only been back once a year for recalls and updates, this is a new auto mall dealership.
 

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16year Mopar tech here, they sadly just reduced the labor time even more for the 19A recall recently. Chrysler really really tries hard not to pay their technicians any time they can.
Some asshole at a training class probably bragged about doing 6 of them in a day
 

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So Jeep technicians get paid by the job not by the hour? Does this go for all dealerships? I always assumed they were paid an hourly rate.. E.g. $40/hr., 8hrs/day ..40hr week type deal.
Depends where u go, some hourly but most dealers pay by whatever shop labor rate manual they are using. If "their" manual says the job should take 4 hrs then it would be 4 hours times what ever hourly rate that particular tech gets. When I worked that way at a car dealer some years ago I got a % of the shops hourly rate.
 

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So who gets the money when the customer is overcharged by 10x the book time? This happened to a friend recently - quoted $5k for valve cover gaskets - a 2 hr job for this vehicle. Less egregious inflation and ripoff tactics have become par around here - you’ll rarely be quoted proper book hours anymore, it’s more become a game of how much they can possibly get. Often this quote arrives a day or two after the vehicle has been sitting in the shop and taking it somewhere else for another quote is unlikely.
 

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So who gets the money when the customer is overcharged by 10x the book time? This happened to a friend recently - quoted $5k for valve cover gaskets - a 2 hr job for this vehicle. Less egregious inflation and ripoff tactics have become par around here - you’ll rarely be quoted proper book hours anymore, it’s more become a game of how much they can possibly get. Often this quote arrives a day or two after the vehicle has been sitting in the shop and taking it somewhere else for another quote is unlikely.


Please post a copy of this estimate including make, model and year of vehicle and all details, on letterhead of dealership or service shop who supplied the estimate. There is more to this story...
 

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Almost all car dealer techs are paid flat rate. That means they are paid their hourly rate per job. Sometimes it will favor the tech. Say that they get 12 hrs for an engine remove and replacement, but can perform it in 10 hrs. That allows them to get another job, before the 12 hrs, but still get paid for the 12. But sometimes the book time is difficult to meet and they end up over the time. Not an ideal situation.
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A more experienced "mechanic" can get a 4.0 hr job done in less time, maybe 3.0 hrs. They get two 4.0 hrs jobs done in 6 hours. They get paid 8 hours for 6 hours of work. If they pick up another two hour job, they end up getting paid 10 hours in an eight hour day. They get paid for 2080 hours and work 1664...or in other words you and I get paid for working 2080 hours a year, no matter how hard we work. They can get paid for 2500 hours a year (or more), if they're willing to work harder than book time.

A less experienced mechanic is always working against the clock, a seasoned mechanic can make 20%, or more, than if they were hourly. A good mechanic likes book time (over being salary), if they can beat it, but we'd all like to get paid more, ammirite.

ETA: here's another way of esplainin' it: Flat Rate or Hourly
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