I’m going through the front bumper conundrum as well. Want to retain the factory fogs, but also want a stubby and recessed winch.I ordered a Rugged Ridge Venator Stubby but I was kinda having second thoughts. The main reason I wanted that one was so the front camera could see over the overrider bar since it leans back toward the grille. I was going to order it directly from Rugged Ridge but Quadratec had a better price. Now they're both about $100 more since neither company is currently having a sale.