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A coolant leak is never a minor issue and the difference in 230 and 180 is negligible compared to the actual core temperature when flow instabilities occur due to a loss of coolant. Your vehicle is never going to go to limp mode from driving down the highway. If you are able to overwhelm your cooling system's capacity, you have a malfunction or are exceeding the operating limits.
I am sorry, that is not is not true. Come to my place in Colorado and I can put your Jeep into limp mode no problem. @CarbonSteel will agree. Every person I know with a 3.6 here has seen limp mode, on the highway. Once it happens you learn and try to not let it happen.

And btw, a coolant leak is a minor issue. Like probably 5% of every vehicle on the road has one. I can walk thru every parking lot and always smell and see puddles/drops of coolant.
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And btw, a coolant leak is a minor issue. Like probably 5% of every vehicle on the road has one. I can walk thru every parking lot and always smell and see puddles/drops of coolant.
Agree. I had a pickup with a plastic end tank with a crack that would leak so small that it took months to notice the coolant was down. A friend had a pickup he "fixed" a hole from a rock in the core tube with a piece of wood from a nearby bush. It leaked so little that it was in there for years. No absolutes.
 

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I am sorry, that is not is not true. Come to my place in Colorado and I can put your Jeep into limp mode no problem. @CarbonSteel will agree. Every person I know with a 3.6 here has seen limp mode, on the highway. Once it happens you learn and try to not let it happen.

And btw, a coolant leak is a minor issue. Like probably 5% of every vehicle on the road has one. I can walk thru every parking lot and always smell and see puddles/drops of coolant.
Sorry, any coolant leak is a major mechanical issue.

I’ve never said don’t do the fan controller, just asking for proof of the numbers of failures because of the OEM design? No one can provide evidence. There would absolutely be recalls or news if this was a major issue, there is not. Head failures at the dealer? Sure, but they build 40,000 of these a month, a dealer filled with some failures is not proof of anything other than that dealer does head repair better or for better reimbursement from Jeep than any other. And many of these could be the 2013 head and block design which was a TSB, never made it to a recall.

make a fan controller that plugs into the obd, which can be done with software, and I may partake. Not using a taser I have to tell it to turn on. The taser folks, the engineers themselves, you are using a hack to get Jeep to think tranny is hot to force fan on. Great, make a logic loop that looks at coolant temp, climbing through 215, to then tell computer tranny is hot, and the. Turn fan on. Easy easy, simple, fail safe, OEM computer does its OEM stuff until taser input, then returns to normal when input removed.
 

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I am sorry, that is not is not true. Come to my place in Colorado and I can put your Jeep into limp mode no problem. @CarbonSteel will agree.
Where in Colorado are you? You are saying you have a Jeep you can 100% put into limp mode doing some sort of "normal" driving or you just stress it until it does?
 

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Based on...your gut feeling? You can do whatever you like but again, you have no data to back up anything.
You keep raising the temperature to try to make some sort of point. We get it, you like the fan controller.
I'm not exactly arguing either side. My preference is to have my Wrangler running cooler. But, we all know that plastics, when subjected to higher temps degrade a lot faster. 25-40 degrees is a lot higher. Did they use special plastics on the Wrangler to withstand higher temps? No. Just as likely they didn't use anything special or Wrangler specific when manufacturing the engine block or internals and these temps are bad/too high for just about every other engine on the road. Please name some others that run at these high temps? I regularly see 225-239 and have gone into limp mode at 242 with no additional load/no towing.
 

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And btw, a coolant leak is a minor issue. Like probably 5% of every vehicle on the road has one. I can walk thru every parking lot and always smell and see puddles/drops of coolant.
The same people who think a coolant leak is a minor issue also think a car with 120,000 miles on it isn't worth fixing. No loss of coolant is acceptable. Zero.
 

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The same people who think a coolant leak is a minor issue also think a car with 120,000 miles on it isn't worth fixing. No loss of coolant is acceptable. Zero.
What? that makes no sense…. My dodge truck has 350k miles on it. And yes it has a few leaks, both by design and “aftermarket”;)
 

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Where in Colorado are you? You are saying you have a Jeep you can 100% put into limp mode doing some sort of "normal" driving or you just stress it until it does?
Nope normal driving. My daily commute, when I had one, involved the Eisenhower and Johnson tunnel each day. And in summer temps with the right stop and go, a Jeep will limp 100%.
 

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Nope normal driving. My daily commute, when I had one, involved the Eisenhower and Johnson tunnel each day. And in summer temps with the right stop and go, a Jeep will limp 100%.
I think we will try to run an Ike test this summer if possible
 

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Just take a run from the Silverthorne side and about 1/2 way up stop and go for 2 or 3 minutes. Then get back up to speed and you will limp 100%…
Saying 100% is silly. I've been through that tunnel a dozen times in summer in all sorts of shitty traffic. The only time I've seen over 232F was a 15 degree incline climbing a trail with loose debris. I use the off-road pages almost by default, so a lot of watching temps in my Jeep's 178Kmi. Your Jeep may have a problem, but don't think that's normal.
 

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Saying 100% is silly. I've been through that tunnel a dozen times in summer in all sorts of shitty traffic. The only time I've seen over 232F was a 15 degree incline climbing a trail with loose debris. I use the off-road pages almost by default, so a lot of watching temps in my Jeep's 178Kmi. Your Jeep may have a problem, but don't think that's normal.
Mine is not the only one. And I often see overheated vehicles. Every 3.6 I have ever been in I have seen over 230. It is a thin air thing. I traded it, as I said earlier, -9°F air temp and 235° coolant on the climb. Traded it on a 392…. My buddies 3.6 has gone into limp 3 or 4 time in the last 6 month headed up skiing from Denver.
 

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Mine is not the only one. And I often see overheated vehicles. Every 3.6 I have ever been in I have seen over 230. It is a thin air thing. I traded it, as I said earlier, -9°F air temp and 235° coolant on the climb. Traded it on a 392…. My buddies 3.6 has gone into limp 3 or 4 time in the last 6 month headed up skiing from Denver.
You know you are just beating a dead horse here. lol
I have been trying for 6 months to point out there is a issue and all I get is push back.
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An update for those interested in the JL PWM Fan Controller offered from

RPMExtreme.com

I took a trip down to Jon Schaefer's (owner of RPM Extreme) shop today to have him test the controller on my '22 3.6L etorque Willys.
Jon performed all his tests and confirmed that the controller is 100% compatible with '18-'22 3.6L etorque JL's.
They were previously only tested on non-etorque 3.6's.
Jon has updated the compatibility notes on the page on his website.
So far I am very pleased with the results.

So, for those interested in a more comprehensive control strategy for the PWM fan in their JL, one that offers four fan % levels based on increasing temperature, I recommend checking out this product.
 
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An update for those interested in the JL PWM Fan Controller offered from

RPMExtreme.com

I took a trip down to Jon Schaefer's (owner of RPM Extreme) shop today to have him test the controller on my '22 3.6L etorque Willys.
Jon performed all his tests and confirmed that the controller is 100% compatible with '18-'22 3.6L etorque JL's.
They were previously only tested on non-etorque 3.6's.
Jon has updated the conpatibility notes on the page on his website.
So far I am very pleased with the results.

So, for those interested in a more comprehensive control strategy for the PWM fan in their JL, one that offers four fan % levels based on increasing temperature, I recommend checking out this product.
That is great new
Like me I think you will find that it works great and all your temps will now be under control
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