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[GhostActual762]

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As some have pointed out changing steering/suspension parts with aftermarket doesn't necessarily fix the problem. My recommendation for "lax" FCA is to recall all Wranglers ever made and change them to IFS. Problem solved.

And many of the Jeep owners buy them to go off-road so why would someone bitching about possible problems buying a JL even consider an F-150. Seems like they should have just bought the Ford.

I’m not the one comparing buying a F150 to a JL or wrangler....nor did I even think a comparison would be in the deck of cards lol.

I agree about FCA needing to invest a lot to fix their steering issues immediately, I’m glad no one has been hurt or killed from the issues but it feels like their dragging their feet until something terrible happens to one of their customers and a spot light is placed on them. The JL was out for 5 months when I bought my Jk and test drove two JLURs and it was really nice compared to the JK but the price and known issues(the second JLUR did have wandering steering compared the first one)

The market Wrangler has is huge, others are making vehicles to finally compete ZR2/Ranger but in my eyes they are still trucks and won’t really touch the sales FCA gets from the Wrangler so comparing a fullsize truck no matter the brand to a Jeep wrangler is laughable.

IFS have hosts of other issues far greater than a solid axle, my god have you ever wheeled an IFS as hard as a solid axle? You’ll need shares in CV’s to make it worth it. Theres a reason solid axle swaps are on do to lists of anyone that has an IFS and doesn’t want headaches when going out to the boondocks far away from civilization.(have to justify the coin for that though)

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[EROCK]

Check out car complaints. com.. you will see a number under the nhtsa complaints for Jl's that is astonishing. I believe it was 460+ last time I checked. The steering issues aren't isolated and you will notice a hit in reliability coming from a Toyota.

Source: Traded in 4runner for JL....too many problems in the first couple months of ownership...back in a Tacoma. The Jl is a great platform but FCA hasn't figured out how to execute just yet.

 

[nerubi]

I was replying to several with the F150 because they were describing the JL as the worst vehicle ever made (I think they are probably Consumer Reports editors) pointing out all brands have issues. And that is the way the world works, accountants and lawyers determine cost of recall versus no recall until deaths occur then eventually the government steps in. How much would a recall of every Wrangler to replace steering/suspension components? Especially when there is not a definitive cause or builds to pin down which vehicles. Jeep/FCA would go out of business.
Many of the JL issues have been around since the JK and before. But people keep buying them so why change over a few complaints. If anyone knew of these issues why even look at a Jeep let alone buy one.

 

[WXman]

Here's my experience with Toyota:

My Mom had a Camry that randomly blew oil out the top of the engine in the Dairy Queen drive through when I was in high school. The resulting smoke show got a lot of attention.

My best friend in college had a Tacoma with a small lift kit and 33" tires. We worked on it constantly, and then he got a letter in the mail one day that said Toyota was doing a full buy-back due to a frame recall. Apparently the frames would literally fold up like a lawn chair due to excessive corrosion.

I had a 2004 4Runner with the 4.7L engine that rusted out so bad that entire parts of crossmembers were missing. The exhaust manifolds also failed at around 100,000 miles and the engine sounded horrible. The transfer case motors were notorious for sticking and failing, so I had to pull off somewhere every other week and engage 4-low whether I needed it or not.

My point is...if you're only driving Toyota because you're afraid of the reliability of other brands, specifically Jeep, you shouldn't be. Buy the Jeep and love it just like tens of thousands of Americans every month are doing.

 

[FUHL]

I mean....not really lol. All the solid axle vehicles i’ve owned never had death wobble. 1979 Ford Bronco with 6” lift and 36” super swamper TSLs never have death wobble(dana 44), 2000 F250 super duty 4” lift 35” BFGs never had death wobble(Dana 50), my current JK doesn’t have death wobble(Dana 44).

JL steering components are subpar. They can’t even roll out of the factory without issues. The issue is either the engineered steering system (FCA’s fault) or the supplier of the steering components (FCAs fault for not keeping tabs on quality which effect their product they sell to people with money).

At the end of the day a bad product needs recalled but FCA knows Wrangler culture best and there’s gobs of people out there that will drop gobs of money on over engineered, underbuilt products. Don’t you know the saying? “It’s a Jeep thing”

This may have been posted already, I did not read the whole thread yet.

New Ford with death wobble.

 

[Dkretden]

You must...2 years from today would be 730 days..."10s of thousands" of jeeps...even if that number were 15000, this equals 20+ jeeps a day. How many JL's are out there?

That said, my JL runs fine so far just passed 4k miles.

He lives in Toledo. He likely is driving cars related to new production.

 

[W1ck3d]

Not only driving, but yes that is the gist of it

 

[nerubi]

This may have been posted already, I did not read the whole thread yet.

New Ford with death wobble.

Careful showing that, Wranglers are the only ones doing that.

You live in Sandpoint? Met Ben Stein or any of the other celebrities that live there?

I'm going to be in the Silver Valley from mid March to mid April. Going to be sitting at Dave Smith everyday watching for jeeprubicongurl's Firecracker to come in so I can take a test drive in it before she drives up there to get it.

 

[GhostActual762]

This may have been posted already, I did not read the whole thread yet.

New Ford with death wobble.

Nice! You proved a valid point that everyone already knew from numerous discussions already present in this thread. Again, I don’t know why yall are focused on Ford products when this is a Jeep forum.

Ok, so I guess maybe not everyone coming to this thread might not understand that every make/model/year has issues...well now you know! Yay we are learning!

Now this being a thread about the possibility of buying a JL do I dare post the steering videos of not being able to turn at 70mph on a blind curve or death wobble in the JL without the pleb wrangler fan bois crying “the few, the proud, the Jeep core!”? Nah, yall already know about it.....we ALL know about it.

I hope someone other than myself here is getting a chuckle out of the massive amount of ignorance and pettyness.

OP my dude, if you think of yourself as a lucky man then use your gut. If not lucky test drive the hell outa the one you want before you buy. Some here say don’t worry about it while others say caution.

At the end of the day you’re either going to be happy with it or not and no one here’s really going to care if you got a good one or if your stuck on the side of the road.

 

[FUHL]

Nice! You proved a valid point that everyone already knew from numerous discussions already present in this thread. Again, I don’t know why yall are focused on Ford products when this is a Jeep forum.

Ok, so I guess maybe not everyone coming to this thread might not understand that every make/model/year has issues...well now you know! Yay we are learning!

Now this being a thread about the possibility of buying a JL do I dare post the steering videos of not being able to turn at 70mph on a blind curve or death wobble in the JL without the pleb wrangler fan bois crying “the few, the proud, the Jeep core!”? Nah, yall already know about it.....we ALL know about it.

I hope someone other than myself here is getting a chuckle out of the massive amount of ignorance and pettyness.

OP my dude, if you think of yourself as a lucky man then use your gut. If not lucky test drive the hell outa the one you want before you buy. Some here say don’t worry about it while others say caution.

At the end of the day you’re either going to be happy with it or not and no one here’s really going to care if you got a good one or if your stuck on the side of the road.

The point of my post was to show that it isn't just a Jeep issue that you implied.

I don't have an issue with my F-150, love it just as much as my Wrangler.

 

[FUHL]

Careful showing that, Wranglers are the only ones doing that.

You live in Sandpoint? Met Ben Stein or any of the other celebrities that live there?

I'm going to be in the Silver Valley from mid March to mid April. Going to be sitting at Dave Smith everyday watching for jeeprubicongurl's Firecracker to come in so I can take a test drive in it before she drives up there to get it.

I have seen Ben Stein a few times, sat close to him at lunch one day. I have also seen Viggo Mortensen and Mark Furman a few times.

Harrison Ford came to my place of work to check out plane.

 

[viper88]

Idk maybe it’s just me but 10’s of thousands of JLs???? Lol

It’s up to the buyer to put down their hard earned cash for something that might not be worth their hard earned cash(sure as hell not mine).

OP sorry this got derailed, if you like those yotas i’de say stay over there until the JL is proven a little bit more unless you want the risk! I think I can hear the Jeep dealerships from here “sorry we couldn’t replicate the problem”

W1ck3d has been solid with info. He works in Toledo. He's driven many JLs for his job.

 

[GhostActual762]

W1ck3d has been solid with info. He works in Toledo. He's driven many JLs for his job.

Ok.....Cool? Does he put thousands of miles on these JL’s to get a good baseline on quality? From the plant door to the parking lot 100ft away doesn’t amount to much, I wouldn’t think. Does he take them around the test track once leaving the plant or something?

If I worked at a bolt factory(that makes bolts) and touched 1,000 bolts a day for a year does that make me some sort of bolt quality control expert? No it doesn’t.

We all wanted the JL to be 110% being 2018 with advanced manufacturing processes and with the tech we have to control quality issues but it wasn’t meant to be(not yet anyway).....in closing as im not going to reply anymore in this thread from the sheer amount of you know what.

Hopefully FCA will tackle the major issues prudently. Until then, hopefully you get a good one if your buying soon.

 

[viper88]

Ok.....Cool? Does he put thousands of miles on these JL’s to get a good baseline on quality? From the plant door to the parking lot 100ft away doesn’t amount to much, I wouldn’t think. Does he take them around the test track once leaving the plant or something?

If I worked at a bolt factory(that makes bolts) and touched 1,000 bolts a day for a year does that make me some sort of bolt quality control expert? No it doesn’t.

We all wanted the JL to be 110% being 2018 with advanced manufacturing processes and with the tech we have to control quality issues but it wasn’t meant to be(not yet anyway).....in closing as im not going to reply anymore in this thread from the sheer amount of you know what.

Hopefully FCA will tackle the major issues prudently. Until then, hopefully you get a good one if your buying soon.

I know what he does at the Toledo plant but it's not my business to say. I will say he's qualified to comment on what he's been commenting on. I am sure he has driven many JLs for quality control reasons. His exposure to JL's is extensive. I do agree, he might not see some of the issues because they take time to appear after some wear and tear. Premature wear and tear as it seems in some cases. Or just plain poor QC due to assembly, engineering or supplier issues.

I agree we all want the JL to have as few QC issues as possible. FCA could, can , and should do better. Lets face it, FCA has below average QC in the automobile industry. Hopefully they improve.

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