New brake design? Cannot replace just pads?

[pablo_max3045]

The Teraflex Delta brakes are the best brake you will ever install on you Wrangler or Gladiator

Holy crap they are expensive though. Plus you are locked into them as your only supplier for pads. So, should something happen on a trip you are kind of hosed.

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[Creeker]

On this just pad swap, I going against the flow...

Yes, in my younger days (broke Navy days and student days), would purchase just pads from a local supplier and install.

Now, I replace both rotor and pads, regardless.

Also, There is a lot cheap stuff out there and some good stuff out there. A comparison is shown at



My $0.015: Brakes are very important, that's why I do them myself, replace rotors and pads, and only use quality parts.

Each to their own.

 

[Willys41]

That's what's nice about the Terafex Delta brakes
They use Toyota tundra brake pads so you can replace them any time any where with what ever brand you want

 

[five9dak]

I just looked at rock auto, I'll be damned, they only sell rotor pads and disks as kits, thats what mopar does I bet, and all the brake parts are companies I have never heard of, from $98 an axle to $500 for all four. At Autozone, You can get just pad for 35 up to $90 per axle for duralast gold ceramic, those have worked well for me.

there are dozens of pads available for 2018 wranglers on rock auto.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog...l+v6,3441645,brake+&+wheel+hub,brake+pad,1684

 

[GATORB8]

there are dozens of pads available for 2018 wranglers on rock auto.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog...l+v6,3441645,brake+&+wheel+hub,brake+pad,1684

Just a note, not as many in the early models, but there are several different brake sizes dependent on trim. Make sure you confirm prior to ordering and pulling everything apart.

 

[COJeeper]

ummmmm you're now driving a death trap.... You MUST replace the rotors and calipers and wheels and transmission and headlight fluid and blinker lube and steering delay sensor and brake pedal symbolisticism and emergency cable fly by wire uplink pully system and last but absolutely not least, this MUST be done or you're voiding the warranty, you MUST replace and upgrade the rear center differential axle juice within the glass cast adubluadation stopper drain nozzle or the Jeep will literally fall off a mountain, even if you're in the ocean. Don't mess around with this stuff or it's VERY dangerous, get to the dealer and have them complete this work ASAP!

The only reason I know about all this is because my wife took my Jeep in for me last time because I had to work and she got all this stuff done for me, thank you to my wonderful wife for keeping me safe no matter the cost!

 

[COJeeper]

oh boy.... let's get this cleared up! I don't want to be the devil!

 

[jjvincent]

Having changed thousands of brakes in my lifetime, do not take my advice but just go with others that do them once in a while.

In this day of age, go to a small shop and the brake lathe is covered in dust. They are rarely used. For a shop to just change pads becomes a real problem. It's a risk that they will pulsate or make noise. Thus you the customer comes back and wants that fixed for free. Thus now that brake job is a money loser. So, the safe way to play it is to get new pads and rotors. That way, if it's a legit shop and that combo does not work, the parts supplier will pay the labor for defective parts. When it comes to brakes, they require you to change out the pads and rotors for this to happen.

I have found that shops that use Perfect Stop, are the best combo for just about everything (including Jeeps). Bead in quickly, never any pulsating or noisy brakes. Plus the come with new hardware (many of the Duralast and cheaper brands do not). Also for pads, the minimum for passing safety inspection is 2mm. That's when the squealers start to make noise.

So it's up to you but $900 seems like a hefty bill for brakes on a vehicle that are super easy to change and not some goofball design (i.e. VW Tourag).

 

[Deleted member 59498]

Man rotors are cheap as hell these days. 80 bucks?

 

[AZ Hella]

$134 is just for the pads. Mopar has all kinds of confusing illustrations for their parts sites, often showing the parts for next assemblies. I didn't see where you can't buy just pads. Besides, that's the wrong P/N for a JLUR front pad.

Its very confusing for sure. Two different Mopar dealers gave me that same part number for the pads.

 

[AZ Hella]

I'm going to go with some Akebono pads and install next week.

 

[jjvincent]

Man rotors are cheap as hell these days. 80 bucks?

Thus the reason it's not worth resurfacing them. The labor is too much vs the price of a brand new rotor. I do remember back in the day when I did lots of resurfacing. The cost of rotors were high and labor was not. It made sense to purchase a brake lathe. Again, this is why most old shops that have them, it sits in the corner piled high with stuff and dust. Probably finding someone that knows how to operate one today, is not easy.

It's like finding someone to resurface a flywheel. Good luck with that.

 

[jjvincent]

I have been a brake technician for well over 40 years
You may find this hard to believe put the worst out of round drums and rotors are brand new right out of the box
The other problem with new rotors is that the metal is not gone heating and cooling process and are more likely to warp
I have machined thousands of rotors and drums and the key to getting a good true surface is making sure all mounting surfaces are clean and free of rust and debris and the rotor is properly mounted on the brake lathe and that your lathe dose not have excessive run out ( mine has 0.002 run out)
Most technician do not and will not clean the mounting surface and keep the lathe clean free form metal chips. GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT
6 mouths ago I installed the Teraflex Delta brakes Knowing new rotors are going to warp and they did. So in the near future I will machine the rotors
The Teraflex Delta brakes are the best brake you will ever install on you Wrangler or Gladiator

You must be living in the past or in an alternate reality. What you say makes no sense at all.

"The other problem with new rotors is that the metal is not gone heating and cooling process and are more likely to warp"
So what happens with brand new vehicles? They have not gone through the heating and cooling process. Those most likely warp?

"6 mouths ago I installed the Teraflex Delta brakes Knowing new rotors are going to warp and they did. So in the near future I will machine the rotors"

Then you say this:
"The Teraflex Delta brakes are the best brake you will ever install on you Wrangler or Gladiator"

So you installed the best brakes yet you'll need to resurface the rotors? If they are the best, then shouldn't they be burnished when you buy them? Being the best, means, they have done the work for you. So, they are not the best as they now need to be resurfaced. Yet millions of vehicles get by just fine with OEM and cheap brakes yet they never need a special treatment.

Back in the early 2000's burnished rotors and even cryro treated rotors were all the rage. Now we are back to square one. Just rotors and call it a day. If you are warping rotors, then you obviously are doing something wrong. If this was such a big issue, it would be front and center on every forum out there.

 

[jjvincent]

On this just pad swap, I going against the flow...

Yes, in my younger days (broke Navy days and student days), would purchase just pads from a local supplier and install.

Now, I replace both rotor and pads, regardless.

Also, There is a lot cheap stuff out there and some good stuff out there. A comparison is shown at



My $0.015: Brakes are very important, that's why I do them myself, replace rotors and pads, and only use quality parts.

Each to their own.

I can tell you this. You can even put a brake pad in backwards and it'll work. FYI, the old PFC 01 pad has the same characteristics as the backing plate. It's that it's harder on the rotor and once you go through the backing plate, the pad material brakes up and you get a soft pedal. Even a past Daytona 24hr winner found that out.

 

[Nitehawk92]

Good afternoon,

My 2018 JLUR needs new pads on the front. Just got a call from the dealership where they confirmed it is just the pads worn out and only the front. However, they are telling me that Jeep has come out with a new design so they will have to replace the pads and the rotors and want nearly $900 to do it (just the front).

Seems absolutely crazy right. So my question is if this is a real thing and I am essentially going to have to replace rotors as well because of this design change or if they are BS‘ing me. If the latter, would going to somewhere else that is not the dealership void any kind of warranty as that is why I use the dealership (have the extended MVP warranty).

Thanks in advance.

Mark

NEVER TRUST A DEALERSHIP!!! This is a bunch of crap. Tell them you want that in writing...

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