Load range C vs D vs E

[stretch-bsn]

Chris, this is Toyo’s newest tire - the Open Country R/T Pro. It’s a hybrid MT, and they have a 45,000 mile warranty. I LOVE these tires! I do not know if they offer them in a lower load range, though (these are E-rated).

The pictured tire on my Jeep is 35x12.50R17, on the stock 7.5” rims.

I’m guessing you won’t find a more aggressive hybrid tire than these.

Yeah those do look awesome! It’s killing me we can’t get a tire like that in a C or D rating

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[Wabujitsu]

Yeah those do look awesome! It’s killing me we can’t get a tire like that in a C or D rating

The load rating is immaterial to me. I notice no difference at all. By the way Chris, these tires only weigh 69 lbs, and I believe they are 34.8” when inflated to 30 PSI.

 

[jadmt]

The load rating is immaterial to me. I notice no difference at all. By the way Chris, these tires only weigh 69 lbs, and I believe they are 34.8” when inflated to 30 PSI.

I bet they end up being about 33.5-33.6 when mounted on the jeep..if you park on a flat surface at 30psi and use a level to measure a front tire and see what you get. like this. by the way I am a big fan of Toyo quality and also have no issues with E rated tires...

 

[stretch-bsn]

I bet they end up being about 33.5-33.6 when mounted on the jeep..if you park on a flat surface at 30psi and use a level to measure a front tire and see what you get. like this. by the way I am a big fan of Toyo quality and also have no issues with E rated tires...

You’re making a strong case!!

 

[Wabujitsu]

I bet they end up being about 33.5-33.6 when mounted on the jeep..if you park on a flat surface at 30psi and use a level to measure a front tire and see what you get. like this. by the way I am a big fan of Toyo quality and also have no issues with E rated tires...

Jeff, I will try to do that today.

 

[Skolson]

Decisions, decisions…tires are so much personal preference depending on how you use your jeep. Mine is now mostly off-roading and not a DD. Nothing but issues on my 37” KO2’s - split side wall, chunks of tread came off, etc. I don’t do anything insane regarding off-road. At an off road event this past April, a guy blew out his 2 front 35” KO2’s. Needed something more aggressive and a lot of folks I wheel with like their Nitto’s or Toyo’s. I’m going with 37” Mickey Thompson’s MT (putting on tomorrow and headed to Ouray the following week) and hope to have a better experience with performance and wear.

 

[James Westfall]

The load rating is immaterial to me. I notice no difference at all. By the way Chris, these tires only weigh 69 lbs, and I believe they are 34.8” when inflated to 30 PSI.

"ONLY" 69lbs? I guess we have a different definition of heavy. From my experience, 70lbs is pretty standard for heavy 35's. I have no doubt there are heavier (I think WIldpeaks are like 74lbs) but that's still pretty dang heavy. Duratracs are 62lbs in that size, I believe. You wanna be under 60lbs ideally.

I remember reading on here someone had posted about a new Goodyear tire that is super light...maybe the new Duratrac? I dunno but I think it was like 50lbs in 35" size. Edit - it was the Territory.

 

[zouch]

good luck with those Mickey Muds; i hope you like them as much as i did my 35s!

i put KM3s on when when i went to 37s (for questionable reasons) and can't wait to have an excuse to get back to Mickeys.

Decisions, decisions…tires are so much personal preference depending on how you use your jeep. Mine is now mostly off-roading and not a DD. Nothing but issues on my 37” KO2’s - split side wall, chunks of tread came off, etc. I don’t do anything insane regarding off-road. At an off road event this past April, a guy blew out his 2 front 35” KO2’s. Needed something more aggressive and a lot of folks I wheel with like their Nitto’s or Toyo’s. I’m going with 37” Mickey Thompson’s MT (putting on tomorrow and headed to Ouray the following week) and hope to have a better experience with performance and wear.

 

[roaniecowpony]

Yeah those do look awesome! It’s killing me we can’t get a tire like that in a C or D rating

You're over-thinking this. Lightweight tires are lightweight because there are less material in them. If you cruise the streets and graded dirt roads, a light duty K02 will be fine for that. If your needs run to the extreme, you need tougher tires. Soft, flexy sidewalls are great, until your push a rock through them.

A loaded out JL 4 door is not your dad's jeep. No longer is it a little CJ that weighs 3000 lbs. My JLUR with 37s, winch and all the recovery gear and tools for a weekend of rock crawling is well over 5000 lbs. without driver or passengers. That's with aluminum bumpers and the rear seat removed. LR D and E is not overkill.

 

[gotbru]

"ONLY" 69lbs? I guess we have a different definition of heavy. From my experience, 70lbs is pretty standard for heavy 35's. I have no doubt there are heavier (I think WIldpeaks are like 74lbs) but that's still pretty dang heavy. Duratracs are 62lbs in that size, I believe. You wanna be under 60lbs ideally.

I remember reading on here someone had posted about a new Goodyear tire that is super light...maybe the new Duratrac? I dunno but I think it was like 50lbs in 35" size. Edit - it was the Territory.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a 35 under 60lbs. I've only seen the GY Territory at ~52lbs (as you mentioned) and the Toyo OC A/T III at 59lbs. Some A/Ts may come close, like the BFG KO2s. Their 315/70R17 come in at 62.4lbs. But their 35s are at 66.7lbs. Anything in an R/T or M/T will be much closer to 70lbs.

That is unfortunate. I do wish that tire companies would make lighter C or D tires for the Jeep, Bronco and Toyota crowds. Seems they are going the other way and catering to the HD truck guys. Several tires that used to be D rated can now only be found in E rated. Especially in the 37 size range.

 

[James Westfall]

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a 35 under 60lbs. I've only seen the GY Territory at ~52lbs (as you mentioned) and the Toyo OC A/T III at 59lbs. Some A/Ts may come close, like the BFG KO2s. Their 315/70R17 come in at 62.4lbs. But their 35s are at 66.7lbs. Anything in an R/T or M/T will be much closer to 70lbs.

That is unfortunate. I do wish that tire companies would make lighter C or D tires for the Jeep, Bronco and Toyota crowds. Seems they are going the other way and catering to the HD truck guys. Several tires that used to be D rated can now only be found in E rated. Especially in the 37 size range.

Well, if the ones that are light sell really well, guess what's going to happen?

So anyway to summarize my speech - buy lighter tires.

 

[TheRaven]

You're over-thinking this. Lightweight tires are lightweight because there are less material in them.

Or because they use better materials that weren't available when those older heavier tires were developed. Tire technology advances just like everything else.

D-range and E-Range tires are built for 10k+ GVWR. You can load a 4400lb Wrangler all you want and you aren't going to surpass the limit of C-range tires. I can't even do it on my 5500lb (dry) Silverado with far higher tow/haul limits.

Automakers spec their vehicles with tires from the factory that are more than sufficient for the max tow/haul payload that the vehicle is rated for. You would have to exceed those numbers pretty significantly to justify a higher load-range tire. Now I know that guys with half-ton pickups that tow high profile loads close to the limit like to go up a load range for stability...but again we're talking about towing 30ft+ trailers that weigh 9-10k lbs. That's a couple leagues out of the Wrangler's range of abilities.

In the end, if it helps you sleep at night to run a D-range tire, then go for it. But understand that it's for nothing more than your own comfort, and E-range is just a waste.

 

[Ratbert]

Well, if the ones that are light sell really well, guess what's going to happen?

So anyway to summarize my speech - buy lighter tires.

I bought tires that happen to be heavier because they were better in the areas where my KO2s suffered. When replacing these BBATs there might be another tire available that fulfills those requirements even better. Weight will be part of that decision matrix, but definitely not at the top of it.

In summary: hell no.

 

[mgroeger]

This is driving me nuts. I’m going back and forth between 35’s or 37’s. If I do 37’s I’ll be going with the BFG KO2 AT’s because they run on the smaller side. Their load range is a C making the tire roughly 63 lbs and more suitable for the weight of my JLU.

However….I keep looking for 35’s with a load C or D rating and it seems next to impossible. If I do go with 35’s it seems like all the tires are E rated and weigh around 70lbs.

I think (please feel free to educate me) a C rated tire will ride a bit smoother and deform better aired down with the weight of my Jeep. I want this. I currently have 315 falkin wildpeaks atw3 and they are E rated. If I air down to 20psi you can barely tell…I have to be closer to 15 to get deformation.

Also would really like some RT tires if I go 35. And my very short list is the radar renegades but again these are an E rated tire.

So I guess kind of a rant and question…what 35’s are good off-road and are C/D rated?

Am I putting too much stock in load rating?

Thanks!

IMO you are not putting too much stock into load rating and are wise to do your homework. A C rated tired will absolutely be more comfortable than a E rated tire. I am running a 38" D rated and wish I would have spent the extra $400 and gotten the C rated Grapplers.
I believe you are seeing so many E rated 35s because a lot of trucks use them and the E rating is warranted given the fact that they can really load down the beds with hauling.
While I personally HATE the KO2s you are correct that the 37s are more akin to 35s in size and come in a C rating. That might be the way to go for you or possibly the KO3s. I have no experience w KO3 but based on the fact that BFG run very small and KO2s suck big hairy balls I wouldn't try them.
I love my Falken RT in a 38" but wish they were C rated instead of D rated. Not sure of the ratings for 35s on this tire but I do love them both on and off road.
Even without beadlocks you should be airing down to 12psi, this will give you nice grip and still low probability of rolling a bead.

 

[Wabujitsu]

"ONLY" 69lbs? I guess we have a different definition of heavy. From my experience, 70lbs is pretty standard for heavy 35's. I have no doubt there are heavier (I think WIldpeaks are like 74lbs) but that's still pretty dang heavy. Duratracs are 62lbs in that size, I believe. You wanna be under 60lbs ideally.

I remember reading on here someone had posted about a new Goodyear tire that is super light...maybe the new Duratrac? I dunno but I think it was like 50lbs in 35" size. Edit - it was the Territory.

Understood, James, and a good point you made. I was comparing in my head with the Wildpeak MTs that these Toyos replaced. With that said, I would compare the Toyo hybrid MT’s weight with other MTs. I’m guessing (I haven’t checked) that they are comparatively light.

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