"It's a Jeep thing" Tolerance

[viper88]

People are not buying Wranglers from suppliers!
I’m sure they are after the supplier big time for the welds on the frames.
I read on the web from a big name auto source that said FCA’s welders must be on the fritz!
These frames come from a supplier, completely assembled.
Maybe that’s why the area surrounding the assembly plant is called the supplier park.
Your wrangler mostly consists of supplier supplied parts.
lets see from the axels, frame, transfer case, drive shafts, wheels, seats, all the interior panels, dash, gages,
steering column, steering gear box, axle disconnect, you name it most of it is outsourced.
When these sub assemblies come to the plant they are supposed to be inspected 100 %.

I stand by my point. You are letting FCA off the hook. You stated it's not FCA's fault there are quality issues. You feel it's on the suppliers. I said it is 100% FCA's responsibility to monitor QC from suppliers and in house. The buck starts and stops with FCA.. FCA could be and should be doing a better job with supplier relations.

http://www.autonews.com/article/201...a-doing-the-wrong-things-supplier-survey-says

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[Matthew/E36]

Yes, every vehicle could have problems. Here is a recent Consumer Report on vehicle reliability. Jeep is #20 on the list. Yet Wranglers have one of the highest resale values. Is anyone aware of a model comparison report vs brand?

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ion/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/

No one can argue with that...it's got green a orange! And points ranging from 26 to 80 (even though CR even states they adjust the scale to stretch competition out.)

 

[jeremyjeep]

FCA could be and should be doing a better job with supplier relations.

http://www.autonews.com/article/201...a-doing-the-wrong-things-supplier-survey-says

VERY interesting.

 

[Sean K.]

And for the poster calling the op out for how he wrote the original post, maybe you read it wrong! The bad thing about posting and social media is one persons post may not read as it was written! They hear one thing you hear another. Much like different languages can have different meanings. You should try not to be so critical at everything that is posted. Maybe giving the poster the benefit of the doubt would lead to better conversations. Just saying.

I acknowledged that.....but I'll continue to post as I see fit and call things how I see them, mom. ....Like you just did.

 

[DocTwinkie]

Forum is not representative of problems with the car. For sure. So let’s look at recalls.

According to NHTSA the wrangler is on recall 6 for 2018

So let’s look at some other all new models.

2017 CRV - 0
2014 Highlander - 4
2007 RDX - 2
2017 Rx350- 1
Nissan Rigie 2-8 depending on year.
2018 Traverse 0.
2017 Outback 3.
2017 BMW X5 2
2018 BMW X3 5
2018 Mercedes GLC suv 5
2016 XC90 5

I’ll stop there.

So individual experiences don’t mean much. Dealer repairs we don’t know looking at the forums. JD power is probably better for that.

One thing we can see is that Jeep, Nissan, and German cars are actually on the high end of recalls. Not surprising for anyone who follows JD or consumer reports over the years (though I haven’t looked recently). Europe is close.

Subaru comes in the middle.

And Honda of course is the best. Not surprising. Toyota has us some issues in recent years but towards mid to best behind Honda.

Nissan and Infiniti were always the Japanese black sheep to quality as is evident by their recalls.

So I’m sure you could look deeper into this but it kinda goes alone with what I’ve always thought.

FCA and Europe are typical bottom of the barrel quality. Europe looks nicer for sure but be prepared to be in the shop.

American and mid level Japanese cars kinda run mid pack.

Honda is the crown with Toyota as backup.

Jeep isn’t a POS. But it is one of the worst cars for reliability and quality. But even the worst cars these days are pretty damn good. I mean we are talking 6 recalls compared to 5 for the Uber luxury BMW, Mercedes, and Volvo.

I think if you buy anything but a Honda expect to visit the shop a few times. If you buy a Toyota you probably won’t, but might. If you buy a Honda it’s a safe bet with a few exceptions you’ll never have an issue for the typical lifespan.

My take.

 

[Sean K.]

Forum is not representative of problems with the car. For sure. So let’s look at recalls.

According to NHTSA the wrangler is on recall 6 for 2018

So let’s look at some other all new models.

2017 CRV - 0
2014 Highlander - 4
2007 RDX - 2
2017 Rx350- 1
Nissan Rigie 2-8 depending on year.
2018 Traverse 0.
2017 Outback 3.
2017 BMW X5 2
2018 BMW X3 5
2018 Mercedes GLC suv 5
2016 XC90 5

I’ll stop there.

So individual experiences don’t mean much. Dealer repairs we don’t know looking at the forums. JD power is probably better for that.

One thing we can see is that Jeep, Nissan, and German cars are actually on the high end of recalls. Not surprising for anyone who follows JD or consumer reports over the years (though I haven’t looked recently). Europe is close.

Subaru comes in the middle.

And Honda of course is the best. Not surprising. Toyota has us some issues in recent years but towards mid to best behind Honda.

Nissan and Infiniti were always the Japanese black sheep to quality as is evident by their recalls.

So I’m sure you could look deeper into this but it kinda goes alone with what I’ve always thought.

FCA and Europe are typical bottom of the barrel quality. Europe looks nicer for sure but be prepared to be in the shop.

American and mid level Japanese cars kinda run mid pack.

Honda is the crown with Toyota as backup.

Jeep isn’t a POS. But it is one of the worst cars for reliability and quality. But even the worst cars these days are pretty damn good. I mean we are talking 6 recalls compared to 5 for the Uber luxury BMW, Mercedes, and Volvo.

I think if you buy anything but a Honda expect to visit the shop a few times. If you buy a Toyota you probably won’t, but might. If you buy a Honda it’s a safe bet with a few exceptions you’ll never have an issue for the typical lifespan.

My take.

That's why we bought an Accord in 2010.....problem was, from 2008 to 2012, Honda had massive VVT problems with the V6 and they burned a quart of oil every 1000 miles. They only held 5 quarts and the change interval was supposed to be 5K miles. Do the math. Oh and to top it off....the low oil warning light didn't get tripped until you only had 1 quart left.

The point? Even Honda makes turds.

 

[DocTwinkie]

Yes, every vehicle could have problems. Here is a recent Consumer Report on vehicle reliability. Jeep is #20 on the list. Yet Wranglers have one of the highest resale values. Is anyone aware of a model comparison report vs brand?

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ion/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/

How I missed this post. Would have saved me some leg work.

People will all argue about how other cars have issues too. It’s all about what percent. I’m surprised Acura and Honda are so low but it only takes a few bad models to bring the brand down.

Anywho. New cars in general are more reliable then ever. But FCA has been at the bottom of a very shallow hole for years.

 

[JLClt]

That's why we bought an Accord in 2010.....problem was, from 2008 to 2012, Honda had massive VVT problems with the V6 and they burned a quart of oil every 1000 miles. They only held 5 quarts and the change interval was supposed to be 5K miles. Do the math. Oh and to top it off....the low oil warning light didn't get tripped until you only had 1 quart left.

The point? Even Honda makes turds.

Stop , just stop. Now you're trolling. You will never read a story like this about brand new Honda or Honda dealership
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/v6-cylinder-misfire.17078/

This is horrible all around and the reason why American cars mostly suck

 

[VNT]

Stop , just stop. Now you're trolling. You will never read a story like this about brand new Honda or Honda dealership
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/v6-cylinder-misfire.17078/

This is horrible all around and the reason why American cars mostly suck

Then dont buy one, most of us who have bought one dont give two $hits and dont look at the statistical crap. Seriously, if you dont think your going to be happy with the purchase of a Jeep why come on a forum and tell all the owners their Jeeps suck? Go buy a Honda CRV or Pilot and high five your buddies about what a smart decision you made because CR says so.

This is my 3rd Jeep, many mopars and no major issues, but maybe I am dumb and love buying junk

 

[jeremyjeep]

This JL owner got a replacement JL for the welding issue. His brand new JL replacement has steering issues - https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...-w-repair-procedure.16255/page-50#post-418383

Near accident in a JL due to steering problems, brought to dealer 3 times, still not fixed, has less than 500 miles on it. https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...the-2018-wrangler-jl.14280/page-3#post-387753

Several new posts with more steering issues on the main JL Wrangler steering thread: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/loose-steering-feels-like-it-has-play-and-drifts.3691

 

[Sorbs]

Then dont buy one, most of us who have bought one dont give two $hits and dont look at the statistical crap. Seriously, if you dont think your going to be happy with the purchase of a Jeep why come on a forum and tell all the owners their Jeeps suck? Go buy a Honda CRV or Pilot and high five your buddies about what a smart decision you made because CR says so.

This is my 3rd Jeep, many mopars and no major issues, but maybe I am dumb and love buying junk

Most expensive cars I’ve ever owned were BMW and Mercedes. Very troublesome. Every oil change was $600 since they’d always find a part not covered under warranty that “needed” replacing. My Mopars, and I’ve owned quite a few, no significant issues at all and two synthetic oil changes for $75!

What I find on this forum are two types of posters. Those who are interested in sharing helpful information and folks that complain, a ton! Also, your Jeep is under warranty. If anyone has a right to complain it’s the dealership who has to fix it.

One other point, the JL is kicking the snot out of every sudo 4x4 out there, and it is a specialty vehicle. Not a Civic or Corrolla made to look like a 4x4.

 

[Shooting or Jeeping]

And since this has turned into a freak out on stats- CRV is being recalled for having gas mixing in the oil and causing fires.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/10/05/2017-2018-honda-cr-v-engine-problem/

So boil it down this way- if you chase stats, you’ll never be happy. I don’t buy stats. I can’t drive stats. I research, weigh my options, buy what makes sense. I don’t think flaming forums does anything, as it doesn’t fix your root questions, nor does it solve for what you want.

Drive it, make your decision. If the internet is your parent, I feel sorry for you.

 

[Shooting or Jeeping]

Yes, every vehicle could have problems. Here is a recent Consumer Report on vehicle reliability. Jeep is #20 on the list. Yet Wranglers have one of the highest resale values. Is anyone aware of a model comparison report vs brand?

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ion/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/

And if I can make a note- a lot is perception. Acura is Honda. They are the same brand. Yet one is high, one is low. Hmmm. Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge share just about everything. Yet they vary all over this chart.

Stats are fun.

 

[Sean K.]

Stop , just stop. Now you're trolling. You will never read a story like this about brand new Honda or Honda dealership
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/v6-cylinder-misfire.17078/

This is horrible all around and the reason why American cars mostly suck

Kinda proving my point again, bro.

What I was doing was giving real, first hand experience with our 2010 model. That's not trolling, nor am I on a Honda board telling them their cars suck. How many Jeeps have you owned again?

http://www.hondaproblems.com/trends/excessive-oil-consumption/

Cites a class action lawsuit claiming 1.6M Hondas burned oil excessively.

 

[rjrubi]

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/survey-finds-jeep-wrangler-holds-its-value-best-nissan-leaf-worst

Well, this article was just posted a few days ago. So for everyone blasting Jeep saying it’s crap it retains the best value out of any vehicle and will continue. Tacoma was second. I don’t see Honda anywhere on the list. Yes, they are good quality but they don’t retain any value. My opinion if Jeep owners aren’t happy with Jeep don’t buy one or sell the one you have and buy a Honda or something that will make you content.

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