"It's a Jeep thing" Tolerance

[viper88]

Jap & German cars. My women has a 2008 BMW 525i she takes it to the dealer for everything.
The battery went dead last year, I thought I’ll just get one from the auto parts store. Come to find out the BMW dealer needs
to recalibrate something when installing a new battery! I thought this was BS till I called the dealer, sure enough its true.
It was around 500 by the time they were done. Then she took it in for brakes, I won't even say what that cost. I wanted to do it she
said I’ll just take it in. If you ever need parts for the foreign cars you pay big time. I just purchased a 2018 JLUR the only issue I have is the backup camera don’t always work. I have had none of the problems I read about on this forum. The forums seen to be a place where people vent there
frustrations and I get that. Most of the problems are not FCA’s fault, these are all supplier quality issues. They will get it straightened out. The new Wrangler JL is one nice machine!

It is FCA's fault. The responsibility starts and ends at the top. People are not buying Wranglers from suppliers. People buy from FCA. FCA is responsible for supplier QC. I think your right about FCA eventually working out problems.

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[S2k Chris]

The same reason I put up with shit from my hot blonde wife that would be intolerable from a dude or some fat ugly chick. I like my Jeep, so I’ll put up with some minor annoyances that would piss me off in a Honda Civic or whatever.

Also, mine has been (touch wood) flawless.

 

[Torero]

All good points everyone. I'll just have to have faith that mine will be reliable

I’m pretty much in the same boat. Have been very lucky, I guess, because my Japanese and German cars have been flawless. And my Rubicon with 12k miles is a champ too. Cross my fingers lol.

 

[Turfman]

To start you have to remember that Jeeps are designed to do way more then cars and even trucks. They are designed to be more rigorous in the trenches. With these designs come issues. Just take a BMW rock climbing and see how long it will last. The big problem comes years back when they tried to make them so much more comfortable to draw a different crowd of users! When you try to combine ruggedness with today’s comfort you tend to end up with issues. Some good and some bad!

And for the poster calling the op out for how he wrote the original post, maybe you read it wrong! The bad thing about posting and social media is one persons post may not read as it was written! They hear one thing you hear another. Much like different languages can have different meanings. You should try not to be so critical at everything that is posted. Maybe giving the poster the benefit of the doubt would lead to better conversations. Just saying.

 

[jeremyjeep]

I hope so.

I've been arround other forums and I don't remember steering issues and improperly welded frames and a 100 other little things.
Maybe I was lucky with my previous cars from

You'd think a "tough" off road style vehicle like a Wrangler would have focus on quality welds vs welding problems. Or a better design to make the welding more fool proof.

 

[jeremyjeep]

I hope you guys are right
I've had BMW's with minor annoyances.
I've had Toyotas and Lexus models with 0 problems. Still have a 2002 Land Cruiser in the family with 0 problems and 200K miles. Sure you go on any forum and read up little things especially in the first model year. But nowhere near the amount of posts and subforums and 50-page threads on crap falling apart
Usually any car has a certain weak spot a particular component that's it's known for to be weak. This is something else

Agreed, but as most said, it is a small percentage. But it really depends on how the dealer service department treats the customer when fixing the problems. I don't mind a problem with a vehicle every once in a while, but what really pisses me off is when 1 dealer said there isn't a problem/symptom and another dealer 30 minutes away confirmed the problem/symptom. Then even though that 2nd dealer confirmed the problem, they said they don't have a fix for it, opened a star case, and FCA replies "operates as designed", again the dealership confirmed the issue is real.

 

[jeremyjeep]

While I'm waiting for my order of a new Sahara built to my specs I've been reading this forum extensively and trying to absorb as much knowledge as possible.
This will be my first domestic brand. I've had multiple Japanese and German cars and I must say you guys are incredible.
The level of tolerance for shit that goes wrong with these things is unbelievable.
How do you deal with it? How are you okay with all the issues? I'm still excited about getting mine by holy crap why these things have so many problems?
I hope mine is somehow trouble-free and as the saying goes those who are happy are less vocal than the others. But damn.

Yes, every vehicle could have problems. Here is a recent Consumer Report on vehicle reliability. Jeep is #20 on the list. Yet Wranglers have one of the highest resale values. Is anyone aware of a model comparison report vs brand?

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ion/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/

 

[BlackRook]

Yes, every vehicle could have problems. Here is a recent Consumer Report on vehicle reliability. Jeep is #20 on the list. Yet Wranglers have one of the highest resale values. Is anyone aware of a model comparison report vs brand?

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ion/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/

Problem with these sorts of studies is that they equally weigh small issues with electronics interfaces or a single loose screw with transmission failures or engine fires. This survey is good marketing material for those at the top, but not much else.

BL is that reliability isn't as bad as the first post suggests. A new model run means taking risks as a consumer, regardless of make. If you're not comfortable, wait a year or two. Or move to something else.

 

[scishfottman]

While I'm waiting for my order of a new Sahara built to my specs I've been reading this forum extensively and trying to absorb as much knowledge as possible.
This will be my first domestic brand. I've had multiple Japanese and German cars and I must say you guys are incredible.
The level of tolerance for shit that goes wrong with these things is unbelievable.
How do you deal with it? How are you okay with all the issues? I'm still excited about getting mine by holy crap why these things have so many problems?
I hope mine is somehow trouble-free and as the saying goes those who are happy are less vocal than the others. But damn.

I also think the "trouble" is overblown on here. Any automotive forum will have its share of folks coming to gripe.

This forum definitely seems to be a magnet for people who like to post "I paid $50k for this vehicle and can't believe x happened".

 

[JLClt]

Yes, every vehicle could have problems. Here is a recent Consumer Report on vehicle reliability. Jeep is #20 on the list. Yet Wranglers have one of the highest resale values. Is anyone aware of a model comparison report vs brand?

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ion/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/

Ahh, now it makes sense. I knew I wasn't imagining it. Thanks for posting this.

I'm still moving forward but decided to definitely lease instead of buy and I'm contacting GSM to give it to me in writing that I will have a free loaner for any and all visits to the dealership service department.

Thanks everyone. Wish Toyota made something similar, lol

 

[VNT]

While I'm waiting for my order of a new Sahara built to my specs I've been reading this forum extensively and trying to absorb as much knowledge as possible.
This will be my first domestic brand. I've had multiple Japanese and German cars and I must say you guys are incredible.
The level of tolerance for shit that goes wrong with these things is unbelievable.
How do you deal with it? How are you okay with all the issues? I'm still excited about getting mine by holy crap why these things have so many problems?
I hope mine is somehow trouble-free and as the saying goes those who are happy are less vocal than the others. But damn.

most of the internet hyperbole is BS! Take the welds, here are a couple of things on beloved Toyota Taco and FJ (fake jeep) motor mounts.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/05-motor-mounts-failed-failing.21849/

http://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/1107or-dmz-cure-fixing-broken-toyota-truck-motor-mounts/

or how about stripped Rav4,Camry,Highlander head bolts, very common on these turds

https://www.fixautovideos.com/toyot...epair-2azfe-how-to-fix-camry-rav4-highlander/

Honda, how about 3.5 VCM sludge

https://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/23/honda-settles-class-action-lawsuit-engines/


Could dig up tons of things on BMW too.

I hope you guys are right
I've had BMW's with minor annoyances.
I've had Toyotas and Lexus models with 0 problems. Still have a 2002 Land Cruiser in the family with 0 problems and 200K miles. Sure you go on any forum and read up little things especially in the first model year. But nowhere near the amount of posts and subforums and 50-page threads on crap falling apart
Usually any car has a certain weak spot a particular component that's it's known for to be weak. This is something else

 

[RedJLUR]

It is FCA's fault. The responsibility starts and ends at the top. People are not buying Wranglers from suppliers. People buy from FCA. FCA is responsible for supplier QC. I think your right about FCA eventually working out problems.

 

[RedJLUR]

People are not buying Wranglers from suppliers!
I’m sure they are after the supplier big time for the welds on the frames.
I read on the web from a big name auto source that said FCA’s welders must be on the fritz!
These frames come from a supplier, completely assembled.
Maybe that’s why the area surrounding the assembly plant is called the supplier park.
Your wrangler mostly consists of supplier supplied parts.
lets see from the axels, frame, transfer case, drive shafts, wheels, seats, all the interior panels, dash, gages,
steering column, steering gear box, axle disconnect, you name it most of it is outsourced.
When these sub assemblies come to the plant they are supposed to be inspected 100 %.

 

[Boatbuilder88]

While I'm waiting for my order of a new Sahara built to my specs I've been reading this forum extensively and trying to absorb as much knowledge as possible.
This will be my first domestic brand. I've had multiple Japanese and German cars and I must say you guys are incredible.
The level of tolerance for shit that goes wrong with these things is unbelievable.
How do you deal with it? How are you okay with all the issues? I'm still excited about getting mine by holy crap why these things have so many problems?
I hope mine is somehow trouble-free and as the saying goes those who are happy are less vocal than the others. But damn.

We generally buy Japanese brands because of their reputation for quality. But my Honda's transmission was replaced twice (free under an extended warranty) within the first 7 years of ownership. You never know.

 

[Matthew/E36]

I hope you guys are right
I've had BMW's with minor annoyances.
I've had Toyotas and Lexus models with 0 problems. Still have a 2002 Land Cruiser in the family with 0 problems and 200K miles. Sure you go on any forum and read up little things especially in the first model year. But nowhere near the amount of posts and subforums and 50-page threads on crap falling apart
Usually any car has a certain weak spot a particular component that's it's known for to be weak. This is something else

Well, you are also listing brands, not models. I am sure there are problems with those makes...you see emotional and serious conversation on a JL wrangler forum because these people have been speculating and waiting and often ordered before seeing them. If you go to BMW M3, Lexus LC, Honda Prelude, or similar model specific forums you will find the enthusiasts have found problems with all of those.

I am doubtful people are very vocal about camrys or accords on forums...they would just ignore problems or have them fixed. For example the camry and accord both have a healthy list of recalls...

Of course the big draw to Japanese cars for a while was they were cheap to repair and mod.

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